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[TwentyThirtyFive]

I am just repeating what the author of the article stated.

Its on you not to be lazy. Inform yourself and figure out context. Do you just repeat what you hear when one of these political propaganda puppets uses "data" to drive narrative

[Slidemaster]

Its on you not to be lazy. Inform yourself and figure out context. Do you just repeat what you hear when one of these political propaganda puppets uses "data" to drive narrative

I'm not sure how what I said is lazy.

I never said that what Toronto did last offseason was the reason they succeeded, but many of the best players on the team were acquired from outside the organization. That is a fact.

[You Play to Win the Game]

To be fair, I think dude's position from the beginning has been that Elias is an idiot

I think his position on anything is:

-Determine where the masses are with an opinion

-Come up with 20,000 words on why they're wrong

 

There's no belief system there, it's just "othering" himself as if he's a superior baseball mind than us. It's that simple.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Off the top of my head I genuinely dont know how many of Torontos key players may have been acquired in a trade when they were young and cheap. Or even as a minor leaguer. Thats pretty much irrelevant to money spent. In contrast to say Gimenez who was a bigger trade acquistion this offseason and making 10 mil a year. It would be like not counting Bradish as homegrown for the Os.


Also Springer had a great year. 4.8 WAR. He looked washed up last year. I only bring him up because if we do a chart for the Os next year TON could easily be in the same position as Springer was this year for the Jays.

[dude]

I think his position on anything is:

-Determine where the masses are with an opinion

-Come up with 20,000 words on why they're wrong

 

There's no belief system there, it's just "othering" himself as if he's a superior baseball mind than us. It's that simple.

 

Too funny.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Too funny.

Funny yes. Also spot on.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Too funny.

That it took several years for someone to point out so succinctly? I guess that is kinda funny when you think about it.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

That it took several years for someone to point out so succinctly? I guess that is kinda funny when you think about it.

You got him to respond with a 2 word post. dude. 2 words. He is clearly shook

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I'm asking him for an example of the opposite. A "best run organization" that simply couldn't compete because they had "inadequate resources."

Lots of Tampa Bay teams.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Lots of Tampa Bay teams.

 

They have also been competitive many years with the same available resources.

[Slidemaster]

Off the top of my head I genuinely dont know how many of Torontos key players may have been acquired in a trade when they were young and cheap. Or even as a minor leaguer. Thats pretty much irrelevant to money spent. In contrast to say Gimenez who was a bigger trade acquistion this offseason and making 10 mil a year. It would be like not counting Bradish as homegrown for the Os.


Also Springer had a great year. 4.8 WAR. He looked washed up last year. I only bring him up because if we do a chart for the Os next year TON could easily be in the same position as Springer was this year for the Jays.

Springer is, and has for years, been an infinitely better than TON.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its gonna be funny if I look up WAR this decade and TON is right there with Springer. Or barely behind. Maybe hes not. But I know TON has had some good years and I also know Springer the last two years before 2025 was in decline

[TwentyThirtyFive]

TON had 11.3 WAR this decade entering 2025. Springer had 11.8.


To think that a 36 year old Springer was capable of a 4.8 WAR season but it cant happen for TON at 31 yrs old is foolish. Both as likely. Thats not me saying TON is gonna put up a great season next year. Its me saying it was unlikely for Springer to do it this year.

[Slidemaster]

TON had 11.3 WAR this decade entering 2025. Springer had 11.8.


To think that a 36 year old Springer was capable of a 4.8 WAR season but it cant happen for TON at 31 yrs old is foolish. Both as likely. Thats not me saying TON is gonna put up a great season next year. Its me saying it was unlikely for Springer to do it this year.

TON's career WAR is 12.2.
Springer's career WAR is 42.3. His WAR up through his age 30 season (which included one fewer season than TON) is 27.9.

They aren't comparable.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Edit: Ah F it. Not worth it. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I like how your argument is migrating to hold on.

If I could be the GM of any AL East Team, I'd pick the Orioles (not just because I'm pro-Oriole) because money is a trap for the RedSox and Yankees and the opposite end of that for the Rays and...well...I just don't want to be in Canada.

The Orioles have all the opportunity for elite resources, you have all the value of Legacy and Ballpark and a chill media and you can shape the roster in any ways you choose and always blame it on the Yankees and RedSox.

Baltimore is the best of all worlds. Pointed out many times, but the Cardinals are the similar equivalent in the NL.

Whats wrong with our lovable neighbors north of the border

[dude]

Whats wrong with our lovable neighbors north of the border

 

For clarity, I said I'd want to GM the Orioles before the other 4 ALE teams.  Not that any Team is considering me for their GM, but in the hypothetical I'd GM the Jays if they offered (Cpt Obvious, they won't).

 

To answer the question, at a micro level, nothing is wrong with them ...but at a macro level my issues would likely be the same reasons that they've been told - by many FAs - they can keep their Confederate money.

[dude]

That it took several years for someone to point out so succinctly? I guess that is kinda funny when you think about it.

 

...what's funny is that you don't seem to understand it's an Orioles message board, that you think explanation of opinion on a message board is (I guess?) absurd, that you continue with the notion that reading and comprehension is a bridge too far for many, and that somehow it's a reflection on me when people say wrong crap that they can't defend.  You're assigning me the arrogance of 'superior baseball mind' when you can't hang in a discussion.

 

Also..."belief system" ??  I don't have a "belief system"?  Explain that one.

[You Play to Win the Game]

You're a tone deaf meandering fool. The biggest problem with communication is the illusion it has taken place. Get bent and carry on.

[dude]

I get it.  It's ok.