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[SportsGuy]

Agree with a lot of what you said...but MD will be a bigger outsider in the Big 10 than they were in the ACC.

So, when that happens(and it will), what will be the thought then?

[You Play to Win the Game]

Agree with a lot of what you said...but MD will be a bigger outsider in the Big 10 than they were in the ACC.

So, when that happens(and it will), what will be the thought then?

 

The thought will be that, given being outsiders in both, the fact that this move is substantially, and not by a small margin at all, better financially for the school and that the Terps were smart to get out ahead of it. They also were able to secure themselves in one of the power conferences. 

[You Play to Win the Game]

I don't think Terps fans care all that much about being an outsider, per se, so much as they do about the hypocrisy of all the whiners about MD leaving and how much of "a shame it is for MD to leave the ACC". That is just a joke on a lot of levels.

[NewMarketSean]

It's the same as the Blue Jays or Orioles leaving the AL East if that ever happened. Everyone would be all butt hurt over it but really, the AL East always will be the Yankees and Red Sox and everyone else. And has been for the last 20 years.

I agree with Pedro. The move is bringing out all the hypocrisy of pundits. In a year they'll be pissing all over themselves when Duke plays UNC and forget that MD was ever an ACC school.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Also, the B1G doesn't have a concentrated, "good Ol boy" nucleus like the ACC does in North Carolina.

I like that no state has more than two schools in it.

[bnickle]

Also, the B1G doesn't have a concentrated, "good Ol boy" nucleus like the ACC does in North Carolina.

I like the no state has more than two schools in it.

True dat. We will be outsiders for awhile with the fan bases and Im sure we'll have an initiation to deal with otherwise too. That said, I can't tell you how relieved I am to get away from the good ole boys network of the ACC.

[BSLMikeLowe]

We can watch games on the Big Ten Network instead of ESPN3. What is there not to like?

[Oriole85]

We can watch games on the Big Ten Network instead of ESPN3. What is there not to like?

For you there's not much, you'll be able to watch games easier than you were previously and that's the angle it seems you are looking at it with the Big 10 Network/ESPN3 comment.

 

I don't have the breakdown, but I imagine there's more alumni on the east coast than the midwest.

 

I don't disagree with them moving, but I don't think it's all pros and no cons. At the end of the day, the almighty dollar is the most important factor and that's why they are moving.

[Oriole85]

The thought will be that, given being outsiders in both, the fact that this move is substantially, and not by a small margin at all, better financially for the school and that the Terps were smart to get out ahead of it. They also were able to secure themselves in one of the power conferences. 

Great points here -- they'd be outsiders regardless of the conference they were in.I don't think the Big 10 is as centric with one set of schools as the ACC is with Tobacco road. There's no "Mid-Atlantic conference" with offices located in Howard County. Ultimately it's a financial decision. They are in a more prestigious conference.

[DJ MC]

Great points here -- they'd be outsiders regardless of the conference they were in.I don't think the Big 10 is as centric with one set of schools as the ACC is with Tobacco road. There's no "Mid-Atlantic conference" with offices located in Howard County. Ultimately it's a financial decision. They are in a more prestigious conference.

 

There may not be a set quartet of same-state schools dominating the Big Ten. However, they've had eight of the same members playing since the turn of the LAST century, added OSU in 1912 and Michigan State (replacing U of Chicago) in 1950. Even when they added Penn State in 1990 that was a school with a long history of playing Big Ten teams (MSU since 1925, Iowa since 1930, OSU since 1956, etc.). Basically, they will be 11 dominating schools with outliers in Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers.

[SportsGuy]

Also, the B1G doesn't have a concentrated, "good Ol boy" nucleus like the ACC does in North Carolina.
I like that no state has more than two schools in it.

There is absolutely a good of boys nucleus in the big 10...it's the Midwest in general.

This is the best move for MD because of money, exposure, etc....

But I would be willing to bet a lot of money that many of these same complaints will be brought up down the road. That's all I'm saying.

Btw, does anyone know if schools if like Miami, BC, FSU, etc...complain about this good ol boys stuff? I agree that it exists but it seems like MD fans are more self conscious about it but I'm not sure if that is true or not.

[You Play to Win the Game]

First, I don't think that many MD fans really care about it that much, until it's brought up that it's such a shame MD is leaving the ACC. When people say that, it's hypocritical. Second, you have to be good to complain anyway... so many of those schools wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Most of this came up in the early 2000's when MD basketball was dominant. FSU would probably feel that way though, but I have no way of knowing.

[DJ MC]

There is absolutely a good of boys nucleus in the big 10...it's the Midwest in general.

This is the best move for MD because of money, exposure, etc....

But I would be willing to bet a lot of money that many of these same complaints will be brought up down the road. That's all I'm saying.

Btw, does anyone know if schools if like Miami, BC, FSU, etc...complain about this good ol boys stuff? I agree that it exists but it seems like MD fans are more self conscious about it but I'm not sure if that is true or not.

 

I don't think it's as big an issue in those schools, which came in relatively recently, as it is in Maryland, which, again, founded the damn conference

[Oriole85]

There is absolutely a good of boys nucleus in the big 10...it's the Midwest in general.

This is the best move for MD because of money, exposure, etc....

But I would be willing to bet a lot of money that many of these same complaints will be brought up down the road. That's all I'm saying.

Btw, does anyone know if schools if like Miami, BC, FSU, etc...complain about this good ol boys stuff? I agree that it exists but it seems like MD fans are more self conscious about it but I'm not sure if that is true or not.

Like DJ said, those schools have come into the ACC more recently. I don't think Miami or BC regrets joining the ACC instead of staying in what became of the Big East wasteland of a conference. If either of those schools, could get a better situation for themselves, they would take it. FSU might prefer the SEC, but it beats being an independent in the current system, unless they could've (unlikely) gotten a Notre Dame type deal. And it's better to be in a major conference for all the other sports.

[BSLMikeLowe]

I'll just add that much like everything else in the ACC got diluted by expansion, so did the "good 'ol boy" structure. It's not nearly as strong today as it was before the expansion 10 years ago. And I'm willing to bet whatever structure that existed in the Big Ten has probably also been weakened. That's not to say they don't still exist, or that MD will enter the B1G on equal footing with the schools that have been there forever. But I don't think "outsider status" is what it used to be. The way expansion has altered the geography of these conferences, practically everyone is an outsider now.

[DJ MC]

I'll just add that much like everything else in the ACC got diluted by expansion, so did the "good 'ol boy" structure. It's not nearly as strong today as it was before the expansion 10 years ago. And I'm willing to bet whatever structure that existed in the Big Ten has probably also been weakened. That's not to say they don't still exist, or that MD will enter the B1G on equal footing with the schools that have been there forever. But I don't think "outsider status" is what it used to be. The way expansion has altered the geography of these conferences, practically everyone is an outsider now.

That's not really true about the Big Ten, though. As I said above, with the exception of Nebraska, ten of the eleven schools have been in the conference for 60-plus years and the other has a history playing many of those schools.

[BSLMikeLowe]

That's not really true about the Big Ten, though. As I said above, with the exception of Nebraska, ten of the eleven schools have been in the conference for 60-plus years and the other has a history playing many of those schools.

 

True. It would be more accurate to say the B1G is historically much less centralized than the ACC was. Most people think Michigan and OSU when they think Big Ten, but it never seemed like those two held sway over everything. And the conference's HQ is in Chicago. Whereas in the ACC, everything revolved around NC.