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[TwentyThirtyFive]

He also can get the damn wall out of his head now and go back to pulling the ball more. Whether we keep him or trade him I can see Mounty having a good season

[JeremyStrain]

Go get Sandy Alcantara from FL.

[BaltBird 24]

Be an interesting target. Haven't seen if he's available, but I can't imagine anyone from Miami not being available. Maybe they'll take Trevor Rogers back.

[BSLMikeLowe]

Pretty sure with Rogers the Best Buy policy is in effect - no returns or exchanges after 14 days.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Ill say it right now. The Rogers trade will end up a win for us. 

[BaltBird 24]

If he can get back to what he was doing in 2021 or even 2023, sure. It's hard for him to get much worse than he was in 2024.

[You Play to Win the Game]

I’ll say it right now. The Rogers trade will end up a win for us.

It’s already a L given the context IMO. We got him for the playoff run and was awful. Didn’t even stay on the roster through the conclusion of the regular season, much less the post season. Just dumb, I’ll always stand by that. Preferring team control of a bad asset to getting better for the current team. More SDE from Elias.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

He hadnt pitched bad leading up to the trade. He wasnt brought into to be a #2 or even a #3. People way overvalue the two guys sent out.

[BaltBird 24]

Yeah, whether we had room for Norby or Stowers (definitely had room for Norby), it was still dumb. He was barely serviceable in Miami then bottomed out with us. If the 2021 Orioles wanted to take on a reclamation project, whatever. Rogers had no use for a team competing for a title.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Its easy to say that now. His ERA over the last two months in Mia was under 4.00. It certainly didnt work out in the short term. It will in the long term. Book it.

[BaltBird 24]

Looking month to month, he really only had 1 terrible month for Miami. He was very solid in April, June, and July. For whatever reason he imploded once he got here.

His savant page was terrible at the time of the trade, though. Wasn't much to be excited about with any of his advanced metrics.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

All Im saying is frame the trade the right way. Def risk there at the time. As noted with his savant page and his performance in the few years previous. But he had decent numbers when he was traded and in the leadup to the deadline there were reports contending teams were interested. To frame it as strictly a reclamation project who had little to no valueis wrong. Dude tried to do that and its unsurprisingly intellectually dishonest

[Mackus]

It was a really bad trade in both theory and practice.  Gave up too much for a back-end starter.  Him pitching horribly right away was a bit unexpected, but a back-end starter being awful for a few months is not unexpected, so its just the immediacy of the timing that was unfortunate.  Also the timing of Westburg's injury right after followed by Mayo falling flat in his debut that would've created an opportunity for Norby.  

 

The Flaherty trade was kind of similar (though not as bad IMO).  Questionable on its merits, but looks worse if you consider it in the context of what we really needed to add.  That it blew up instantly is a bit beyond the control of anyone involved.  But wouldn't have been enough even if it didn't lead to a worst-case result.

[Ravens2006]

Advanced metrics can also become a reason to waste a lot of time and money (and sometimes prospects) on trying to make a player something he will never be no matter what the number crunching analysis might suggest possible.  A 1.4+ WHIP over 4+ major league seasons... and 27.5 years old on opening day 2025... plenty of reason to think he's "just a guy" at best.

[BaltBird 24]

Advanced metrics can also become a reason to waste a lot of time and money (and sometimes prospects) on trying to make a player something he will never be no matter what the number crunching analysis might suggest possible. A 1.4+ WHIP over 4+ major league seasons... and 27.5 years old on opening day 2025... plenty of reason to think he's "just a guy" at best.

Rogers advanced metrics screamed stay as far away as possible. They were way worse than his actual on field results.

[russsnyder]

It was a really bad trade in both theory and practice. Gave up too much for a back-end starter. Him pitching horribly right away was a bit unexpected, but a back-end starter being awful for a few months is not unexpected, so its just the immediacy of the timing that was unfortunate. Also the timing of Westburg's injury right after followed by Mayo falling flat in his debut that would've created an opportunity for Norby.

The Flaherty trade was kind of similar (though not as bad IMO). Questionable on its merits, but looks worse if you consider it in the context of what we really needed to add. That it blew up instantly is a bit beyond the control of anyone involved. But wouldn't have been enough even if it didn't lead to a worst-case result.

I think this is an excellent assessment.

That said, maybe Rogers finds himself.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

One thing I believe is a bit misleading is to say an O's rotation of 1-5 is such and such. A solid 1-3 and a 4 and 5 as good as most teams 4 and 5 doesn't cut it for me. We need to be able to say our 1-3 are as good as any playoff team and our 4 and 5 are at least as good if not better.

 

I could care less if the O's 2025 rotation looks ok compared to the likes of say the Rockies. I want to be able to say we stack up well compared to the Yankees and Red Sox. 

[NewMarketSean]

Rogers sucks dude. Doubtful he even pitches in the majors again much less makes this trade a W.

[makoman]

Rogers sucks dude. Doubtful he even pitches in the majors again much less makes this trade a W.

I think it's plausible that Rogers gets fixed and becomes fine, but that's still not a move you make at the deadline. It's always an L for opportunity cost alone IMO.

[Mackus]

Tucker to Cubs for Isaac Parades, Hayden Wesneski and a back-end top-10 prospect.

 

Parades is a good, young, and controllable player.  Closest thing we have to him would be Westburg, though Westburg has 2 more years of control so would be more valuable. 

 

Tucker is a fantastic hitter, but a free agent after the year.  Surprised to see Houston selling.  But maybe this is an opening to go after Framber Valdez.  Pending FA, as well, but a stud.  Like him better than going after Cease.