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#1201 Ravens2006

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 04:00 PM

Though with Arizona's much much lower tax rate, I guess he can afford to have the crabs shipped to Scottsdale and have some change left over...

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 04:01 PM

For sure but unfortunately the way this ship is sailing its just not enough to worry about just your own team anymore. The reality is what other teams are doing matters especially teams in your division. The worry about yourself and the rest will take care of itself probably doesn't work too well anymore......lol

 

You only have to produce results.  Winning is well more than Talent and no team can separate themselves in terms of Talent that much.  The Dodgers are going to lose more than 60 games.  Every team can lose 4 in a row.

 

You win games on the field, not in line at the bank.  There's 159 games to win that don't include the Dodgers and you can win the series vs the Dodgers and you can win 4 of 7 vs them in the WS if they even make it out of the NL.

 

Dodgers have had ALL of these advantages for a decade and last year was the first full season Championship (other was COVID) and the Padres were 9 innings from knocking them out last year.

 

Every team has to find a way to perform on the field better than the cats in the other dugout.



#1203 Mackus

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 04:04 PM


Though with Arizona's much much lower tax rate, I guess he can afford to have the crabs shipped to Scottsdale and have some change left over...


Road games are probably a bigger tax burden playing for the Diamondbacks than playing for any other team (California, California, California, Colorado). Less so with only ~26 road games compared to ~38 a few years ago, though.

#1204 BaltBird 24

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 04:05 PM

Should have taken him to Costas Inn and G&M for crab cakes more often.

Though I bet he's probably allergic to shellfish...


Jimmy's Famous Seafood really dropped the ball in their Corbin Burnes recruitment.
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#1205 BSLSteveBirrer

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Posted 19 January 2025 - 06:23 PM

You only have to produce results.  Winning is well more than Talent and no team can separate themselves in terms of Talent that much.  The Dodgers are going to lose more than 60 games.  Every team can lose 4 in a row.

 

You win games on the field, not in line at the bank.  There's 159 games to win that don't include the Dodgers and you can win the series vs the Dodgers and you can win 4 of 7 vs them in the WS if they even make it out of the NL.

 

Dodgers have had ALL of these advantages for a decade and last year was the first full season Championship (other was COVID) and the Padres were 9 innings from knocking them out last year.

 

Every team has to find a way to perform on the field better than the cats in the other dugout.

Such a simple statement. Too bad it doesn't mean squat.

 

The last 10 years (not counting COVID):

 

Dodgers WORST season is 91 wins. 

They won over 99 5 times.

They won the division 10 of the last 11 seasons.

They won the WS twice in that span.

 

Do you want to compare that to the O's over that same time span?

 

Give me a break.  Yeah I know the O's weren't trying to win every year......blah blah blah.



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Posted 19 January 2025 - 07:15 PM

Yeah, that's the screen because he didn't get what he wanted and his best option was to drag his wife and new kids into Canadian healthcare.

fwiw, now avoiding Canadian healthcare is more important than Boras BS. Good job Canada.


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Posted 20 January 2025 - 01:01 PM

Yeah, that's the screen because he didn't get what he wanted and his best option was to drag his wife and new kids into Canadian healthcare.

fwiw, now avoiding Canadian healthcare is more important than Boras BS. Good job Canada.


I would think that playing close to home, raising his kids around his & his wife's families played more into his decision than Canadian culure & healthcare.

But hey, maybe it's a screen.
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Posted 20 January 2025 - 06:14 PM

Do you want to compare that to the O's over that same time span?

 

This comment may be a little misaligned to your quote above but it's related in general.

 

Over in the update thread we posted the 4-part link on Executive perspective on MiL related topics...your takeaway was on a more negative perception related to the Orioles/Elias.  Go back and look across all of those assessments and the Dodgers are killing it.  That has nothing to do with their Lux Tax Payroll.  Can they spend money in those areas?  Sure.  Can they keep their guys (some do leave for more opportunity), sure.  You also see the Rays good at those similar things (even better in some areas).

 

TB to LAD is the range of all resources in MLB.  Both are good at a bumch of those things because they are good at things that don't require crazy $$.  The Orioles fare well in some assessments (among the best at developing offensive Talent) but there's no reason top not be better aty more areas.  

 

Further, the Dodgers are falling into the trap of the Yankees a couple decades ago.  They had a group that played well, many developed internally, and they dominated for a period, but one of the challenges for large market is you are always trying to step into the next offseason.  The Yankees had their first decade where they didn't make the WS.  You can keep paying for Talent to try and reinforce the roster and that's great, but again, that's not the answer on wins.  

 

The Orioles had the best record in the AL from 2012-2016 and it wasn't because they had the most Talent.  They won 101 games in 2023 with no products of rebuilding.  They added "50 WAR" for that season and nobody can explain how they added "50 WAR".

 

You want to pout or be jealous about other Teams, whatever, build your own house.  Plenty of opportunity.  Draft last.



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Posted 20 January 2025 - 06:21 PM

This comment may be a little misaligned to your quote above but it's related in general.

 

Over in the update thread we posted the 4-part link on Executive perspective on MiL related topics...your takeaway was on a more negative perception related to the Orioles/Elias.  Go back and look across all of those assessments and the Dodgers are killing it.  That has nothing to do with their Lux Tax Payroll.  Can they spend money in those areas?  Sure.  Can they keep their guys (some do leave for more opportunity), sure.  You also see the Rays good at those similar things (even better in some areas).

 

TB to LAD is the range of all resources in MLB.  Both are good at a bumch of those things because they are good at things that don't require crazy $$.  The Orioles fare well in some assessments (among the best at developing offensive Talent) but there's no reason top not be better aty more areas.  

 

Further, the Dodgers are falling into the trap of the Yankees a couple decades ago.  They had a group that played well, many developed internally, and they dominated for a period, but one of the challenges for large market is you are always trying to step into the next offseason.  The Yankees had their first decade where they didn't make the WS.  You can keep paying for Talent to try and reinforce the roster and that's great, but again, that's not the answer on wins.  

 

The Orioles had the best record in the AL from 2012-2016 and it wasn't because they had the most Talent.  They won 101 games in 2023 with no products of rebuilding.  They added "50 WAR" for that season and nobody can explain how they added "50 WAR".

 

You want to pout or be jealous about other Teams, whatever, build your own house.  Plenty of opportunity.  Draft last.

And yet the O's with their frugal approach have not made the WS in ....let me see....4 decades. You are just minimizing what money can do. Which is nothing new.



#1210 mdrunning

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Posted 20 January 2025 - 07:27 PM

Having money doesn't guarantee a team will win, but not having money all but guarantees said team will be hard-pressed to keep up.


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Posted 20 January 2025 - 07:32 PM

And yet the O's with their frugal approach have not made the WS in ....let me see....4 decades. You are just minimizing what money can do. Which is nothing new.

 

The Orioles have done some things right in the past and they're doing some things right now, but I'm not defending everything they've done because I'd like to see them do more.  That's not even about spending money because I could argue for a decrease in payroll but a better team (and more importantly, better results)...because WHO you have is more important than what they cost.

 

Money is a resource to get things you want, but players aren't better because of their paycheck.

 

I'm not on the payroll train in any direction.  Do everything the Organization can do to be successful and have a plan for winning NOW and LATER.  



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Posted 20 January 2025 - 08:49 PM

The Orioles have done some things right in the past and they're doing some things right now, but I'm not defending everything they've done because I'd like to see them do more.  That's not even about spending money because I could argue for a decrease in payroll but a better team (and more importantly, better results)...because WHO you have is more important than what they cost.

 

Money is a resource to get things you want, but players aren't better because of their paycheck.

 

I'm not on the payroll train in any direction.  Do everything the Organization can do to be successful and have a plan for winning NOW and LATER.  

Kinda backasswards. Their paychecks are better because they are better players.


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Posted 22 January 2025 - 11:10 PM

Fanduel O/U set at 88.5, Yankees are 93.5

 

https://sportsbook.f...?tab=win-totals



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Posted 23 January 2025 - 08:04 AM

Fanduel O/U set at 88.5, Yankees are 93.5

 

https://sportsbook.f...?tab=win-totals

I'd take the O's on that. 

 

94 wins is rough, a lot can go wrong in a season and it doesn't take much to get down to 94.

 

Dodgers are 104.5 lol.



#1215 BaltBird 24

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Posted 23 January 2025 - 08:15 AM

I expect pretty big improvement from guys like Adley, Jackson, and Mayo. Also continued improvement from guys like Gunnar, Westburg, Cowser, Kjerstad.

They limped their way to the finish line last year and still won 91 games. I expect better this year.
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#1216 makoman

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Posted 23 January 2025 - 08:40 AM

I expect pretty big improvement from guys like Adley, Jackson, and Mayo. Also continued improvement from guys like Gunnar, Westburg, Cowser, Kjerstad.

They limped their way to the finish line last year and still won 91 games. I expect better this year.

Yeah Burnes is obviously a big loss but I expect (hope?) the bats to not fall asleep for basically a half season. They should be better than that.
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Posted 23 January 2025 - 09:49 AM

I believe the Os were at 90.5 coming off a 101 win season last year. With Burnes and with Santander. Obviously a preseason o/u means nothing but its a tool. If they dropped the line to 85.5 they would be flooded with overs. They are trying to get relatively equal action on both sides

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Posted 23 January 2025 - 10:19 AM

I expect pretty big improvement from guys like Adley, Jackson, and Mayo. Also continued improvement from guys like Gunnar, Westburg, Cowser, Kjerstad.

They limped their way to the finish line last year and still won 91 games. I expect better this year.

 

Not sure how. 89 W is only 2 games worse than last year's record. I think that's fair considering what we've done, and haven't done, so far this offseason.


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Posted 23 January 2025 - 10:54 AM

Not sure how. 89 W is only 2 games worse than last year's record. I think that's fair considering what we've done, and haven't done, so far this offseason.

 

Pretty much all depends on what you think of last year's 2nd half.  Frankly I think that was about as bad as could reasonably be expected from this group, especially from an offensive standpoint.  Many players underperformed what you would expect, many of them significantly so.  The RISP numbers were almost impossibly low at some points.

 

So was that just a really bad run of poor play that killed the division chance, or was that closer to their actual ability than the first half?



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Posted 23 January 2025 - 11:26 AM

Pretty much all depends on what you think of last year's 2nd half.  Frankly I think that was about as bad as could reasonably be expected from this group, especially from an offensive standpoint.  Many players underperformed what you would expect, many of them significantly so.  The RISP numbers were almost impossibly low at some points.

 

So was that just a really bad run of poor play that killed the division chance, or was that closer to their actual ability than the first half?

  The offensive downturn obviously didnt help but poor streaks happen. You win enough games during these downswings by playing clean and smart baseball. 






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