Photo

BSL: Ravens Get Win Number One; Return Home To Face Buffalo In Week 4


  • Please log in to reply
48 replies to this topic

#21 TwentyThirtyFive

TwentyThirtyFive

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,946 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:05 PM

To Biggsy's point about the reffing and bias. When you have so many calls that are subjective it allows for any bias, intentional or subliminal, to come into play. So many aspects of officiating a football game are subjective. What do we have in the NFL that is definitive. If FGs are good. They get that right virtually all the time. At this point I think the get catches or non catches objectively right. Sometimes with the help of replay but they get it right 99%. A lot of penalties or fouls are gonna be subjective. Spotting of the ball can be missed too often. Especially if its in the middle of the field in a pile.

#22 BaltBird 24

BaltBird 24

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,832 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:20 PM

That's a huge swing. 2 pts plus a free punt. Potentially a 9 pt swing.

That call. The hands to the face that never happened. The illegal contact. The BS roughing the passer.

I just wish I was strong enough to walk away from the NFL. I need something to occupy my time when it's not baseball season. I don't really care about College football and I've been down on Terps basketball of late.

#23 TwentyThirtyFive

TwentyThirtyFive

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,946 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:28 PM

That's a huge swing. 2 pts plus a free punt. Potentially a 9 pt swing.

That call. The hands to the face that never happened. The illegal contact. The BS roughing the passer.

I just wish I was strong enough to walk away from the NFL. I need something to occupy my time when it's not baseball season. I don't really care about College football and I've been down on Terps basketball of late.

I only watch the Ravens. If its Sun night or Mon and I make a bet Ill watch too but thats not every week. For one they can start with technology to get spots more accurately. That has to be possible. But the rest of it is what it is. I genuinely feel like the game was better 20-30 years ago when they let players play more. Its not about the violence for me and obviously there was subjectivity then too. I dont know man. Im not one who feels like Im a back in my day type. I think baseball and basketball are better now. I genuinely dont feel that way about football

#24 BaltBird 24

BaltBird 24

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,832 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:35 PM

And like you said, it's just exhausting that's it's literally 24/7 coverage 365 days a year. You've got all the free agency coverage, then workout coverage, then endless draft coverage, then mini camp, then camp, then preseason.

#25 ivanbalt

ivanbalt

    All Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,739 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:37 PM

Still not sure what to think about the Ravens.  Running and the blocking were as good as it gets, but I also think Dallas' run defense could be historically bad this year.  Defense played 3 good quarters again and then collapsed.



#26 TwentyThirtyFive

TwentyThirtyFive

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,946 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:44 PM


And like you said, it's just exhausting that's it's literally 24/7 coverage 365 days a year. You've got all the free agency coverage, then workout coverage, then endless draft coverage, then mini camp, then camp, then preseason.

Im able to ignore all that stuff except for the draft. But you are right. Its all over the place. Obviously there is an appetite for all of it.

#27 makoman

makoman

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,056 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:50 PM

Still not sure what to think about the Ravens.  Running and the blocking were as good as it gets, but I also think Dallas' run defense could be historically bad this year.  Defense played 3 good quarters again and then collapsed.

They seem like the classic "can beat anybody, can lose to anybody" type of team, but also seems like that can change quarter to quarter. When Lamar gets hot the offense is unstoppable, then they inexplicably go 3 and out several times in a row. The defense is capable of being dominant, like the Raiders first half, but also capable of yesterday's 4th. It's kind of maddening to watch.



#28 TwentyThirtyFive

TwentyThirtyFive

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,946 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 12:53 PM

Lamar can def run hot and cold even within games. But his hot is virtually unstoppable.

#29 BaltBird 24

BaltBird 24

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,832 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:05 PM

When Henry and Lamar are running like they did yesterday, and Lamar is passing like he did yesterday, the offense will be almost impossible to contain.

They also have an uncanny and predictable ability to fail at the most crucial times. They nearly choked away their last 2 possessions yesterday if not for Lamar putting the team on his back in the final drive. I have no doubt Dallas at least ties the game, if not wins it, if Lamar doesn't get that 1st down.

#30 hallas

hallas

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,730 posts
  • LocationDaniel Larusso's hometown

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:07 PM

I think the rules are fine, the refs just ignored them or were too shocked that a lineman touched the ball to notice that there wasn't a receiver around.  It was intentional grounding because he didn't throw it in the vicinity of an eligible receiver.  Doesn't matter if the ball hits a lineman before it hits the ground if there isn't anyone you're allowed to throw to that it was intended for.  Should've been both penalties called on the play, with the Ravens getting to decline the illegal touching and accept the grounding.

 

Abysmal call.  And I blame Harbaugh quite a bit here for not convincing the refs during his discussions with them.  That's an area you gotta remind them of the obvious and get that flag dropped.

 

 

A realistic chance of completion is defined as a pass that is thrown in the direction of and lands in the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver.

 

A ball that didn't land can't land in the vicinity of an eligible receiver, so I think the ball hitting the ground is a prerequisite for grounding.  You could probably make the case that a ball that is on its way down and scooped up by a guard right before it lands should still be grounding (and I'd agree with that interpretation.)  But the ball wasn't very close to landing when caught by the guard.  Would it have landed in the vicinity?  Probably not unless the fullback (who broke late on the ball) made a really quick adjustment.  But I understand why the refs may not have wanted to make that judgement.  The rule needs to be changed to make illegal touching of a forward pass thrown from the end zone a safety.  You could argue "thrown in the direction of" but i don't know there was probably some receiver within a 10 degree arc of where that ball was thrown.  The fullback was only about 4-5 yards from the ball when it was touched, and was directly in line with the pass when it hit the guard's arm.  It's probably grounding if the guard doesn't touch him because he didn't get much on it, but it's not hard to see why the refs maybe didn't want to make that assumption.



#31 hallas

hallas

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,730 posts
  • LocationDaniel Larusso's hometown

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:18 PM

When Henry and Lamar are running like they did yesterday, and Lamar is passing like he did yesterday, the offense will be almost impossible to contain.

They also have an uncanny and predictable ability to fail at the most crucial times. They nearly choked away their last 2 possessions yesterday if not for Lamar putting the team on his back in the final drive. I have no doubt Dallas at least ties the game, if not wins it, if Lamar doesn't get that 1st down.

I don't think the last possession was particularly close to choking.  Converted a 3rd and 6, then Lamar converted a 2nd down to ice it.

 

The second-to-last where we went 3-and-out was a bit of choking.  I'd like to give some grace to the offense there because they had been playing well up to that point.  If our special teams wasn't complete dogshit the game would have been sealed if Tucker hit a field goal, or if we recovered the onside kick.


  • BaltBird 24 likes this

#32 BaltBird 24

BaltBird 24

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,832 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:26 PM

Thanks for reminding me of that pathetic onside kick recovery. I had almost erased that from my memory.

Stout was good yesterday, though.

#33 NewMarketSean

NewMarketSean

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,930 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:48 PM

I thought the roughing the passer call was right.


I never had friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?

#34 Ravens2006

Ravens2006

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,433 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:53 PM

Lamar's game winning keeper probably doesn't work if they empty the backfield. It's like death and taxes... Lamar and the offense does more damage and comes through in crunch time way more when Lamar has presnap options in the backfield. When LBs and DEs and even DBs playing up have to keep their eyes on 2, 3 even 4 run options it creates hesitation on D and space on O.

#35 BaltBird 24

BaltBird 24

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,832 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:54 PM

I thought the roughing the passer call was right.


What did Oweh do wrong? It wasn't a late hit. He didn't hit him high. Are you suggesting he lifted and drove Dak to the ground? That's about the only argument you could make.

#36 hallas

hallas

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,730 posts
  • LocationDaniel Larusso's hometown

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:58 PM

Right. If that ball doesnt touch a lineman who are they going to say he was throwing it to. I mean maybe the refs went over and told Harbs there was a receiver close enough. But its a horrific no call.


Ill restate. They better have went over and told Harb they had some receiver in the area. If thats the case what can you do. You camt review it


The fullback was about 5 yards from the guard, and Dak threw it in the right direction. I don't think he got enough on it to make it super close but it's understandable not to make that assumption, especially if you want to screw over the Ravens and still have plausible deniability.

#37 hallas

hallas

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,730 posts
  • LocationDaniel Larusso's hometown

Posted 23 September 2024 - 01:59 PM

What did Oweh do wrong? It wasn't a late hit. He didn't hit him high. Are you suggesting he lifted and drove Dak to the ground? That's about the only argument you could make.


Bodyweight doesn't really hold water either because Owen's knees were on the ground.
  • BaltBird 24 likes this

#38 BaltBird 24

BaltBird 24

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,832 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 02:05 PM

And not an NFL or officials out to screw the Ravens deal, but it's still ridiculous that a 5 yard illegal contact penalty is an automatic 1st down.

#39 makoman

makoman

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,056 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 02:23 PM

And not an NFL or officials out to screw the Ravens deal, but it's still ridiculous that a 5 yard illegal contact penalty is an automatic 1st down.

I'm alright with it, just like defensive holding, otherwise people would just get a penalty on purpose if they know they're about to get beat on 3rd/4th and long.


  • Mackus likes this

#40 Mackus

Mackus

    HOF

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 63,948 posts

Posted 23 September 2024 - 02:25 PM

And not an NFL or officials out to screw the Ravens deal, but it's still ridiculous that a 5 yard illegal contact penalty is an automatic 1st down.

If it wasn't you'd see defenders hold a hell of a lot more. I think it's fair that any defensive penalty (other than offsides) is a first down.

More offensive plays should be a loss of down, IMO.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users


Our Sponsors


 width=