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[1970]

Even if they don't call the face mask on Madubiuke, Ojabo came in and jumped on Minshew way after the play was dead.

 

While I agree Ojabo probably should have been flagged, I’m not sure they did.  Normally, if there are two penalties on one play they will say there are two penalties on the play.  In this instance they only mentioned the face mask. 

[cprenegade]

The problem with NFL officiating isn't so much that the refs are bad, it's the complexity and subjectivity of the rules.  It's hard to officiate an NFL game.  It's a fast game and a lot of bing, bing plays.  We can see things on TV that the refs on the field may not necessarily see, or at times because of positioning they may think they see something that they don't, like the phantom face mask.   You could review every play and probably make calls that aren't called or reverse calls that are called, but then you're looking at 5 hour games.

 

The Ravens have played two sloppy games.  They lost this game today because they couldn't close it out after getting out to a 10 point lead in the second half.  The defense let the Raiders make all the plays they had to make instead of getting stops.  The Ravens can point fingers at the refs, but they need to look at themselves first.  

[BSLRoseKatz]

Feels pretty similar to last year's Colts game, feel like they are always are good for one home loss where they sleepwalk against a weaker opponent (and apparently Gardner Minshew keeps benefitting from these spots lol) 

[jamesdean]

Just everything was bad today. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Officiating.

And now we have a kicker who's useless beyond 50 yards.

[BaltBird 24]

And now we have a kicker who's useless beyond 50 yards.

Yeah, he's part of the special teams bad. Stout's horrendous punt at the end, too.

[CantonJester]

So I never gave much merit to the argument that John Harbaugh needs to go. It always seemed over-reactionary. 

 

However, he has the most blown double-digit leads in the 4th quarter (9) than any other coach since 1991. 

 

Of course, this is his 17th season coaching in the NFL (the Babe Ruth is the all time leader in having struck out argument). 

[hallas]

I'm arguing with someone about the Lamar int. They're saying it's a terrible decision to throw that. I'm looking at the replay and I'm genuinely trying to see it. But I just can't. The LB was facing away from the throw because of Andrews over the middle, which gave Lamar a window to the outside to throw it away from the CB that was on Bateman, and Lamar looked like he hit his spot perfectly. The CB made a pretty good play to wrap around Bateman to contest it, but he's got to catch that. I just can't see any possible world where that's a bad decision by Lamar, even if the window was tight.

Am I seeing this one wrong?

[makoman]

So I never gave much merit to the argument that John Harbaugh needs to go. It always seemed over-reactionary. 

 

However, he has the most blown double-digit leads in the 4th quarter (9) than any other coach since 1991. 

 

Of course, this is his 17th season coaching in the NFL (the Babe Ruth is the all time leader in having struck out argument). 

9 in 17 years sounds fine. 4 in 2 years is pretty rough (Miami, NY, Cle, today). There was also a blown 9 point 4th Q lead in that time (Jax), and a blown 10 point lead with under 19 minutes left (Pit). It's getting to be kind of old. 

[Ravens2006]

Another Harbaugh special... 10 point second half (4th quarter even) lead, down the tubes. Nobody in the NFL does it better.

Don't forget the 2 playoff losses with 14 point second half leads. And almost pissing away a 22 point lead in SB 47.

Nobody. Does. It. Better.

[makoman]

I'm arguing with someone about the Lamar int. They're saying it's a terrible decision to throw that. I'm looking at the replay and I'm genuinely trying to see it. But I just can't. The LB was facing away from the throw because of Andrews over the middle, which gave Lamar a window to the outside to throw it away from the CB that was on Bateman, and Lamar looked like he hit his spot perfectly. The CB made a pretty good play to wrap around Bateman to contest it, but he's got to catch that. I just can't see any possible world where that's a bad decision by Lamar, even if the window was tight.

Am I seeing this one wrong?

No. Tight throws in the NFL are par for the course. You hit a guy in his hands right in the middle of his body, it's a fine decision. 

[jamesdean]

I'm arguing with someone about the Lamar int. They're saying it's a terrible decision to throw that. I'm looking at the replay and I'm genuinely trying to see it. But I just can't. The LB was facing away from the throw because of Andrews over the middle, which gave Lamar a window to the outside to throw it away from the CB that was on Bateman, and Lamar looked like he hit his spot perfectly. The CB made a pretty good play to wrap around Bateman to contest it, but he's got to catch that. I just can't see any possible world where that's a bad decision by Lamar, even if the window was tight.

Am I seeing this one wrong?

I don't know how anyone can say that's on Lamar.  Bateman has to catch that ball.  He's a professional receiver in the NFL.  If someone wants to make the argument that Bateman cost them the game, I'll defend it. 

[jamesdean]

For me, baseball is a trash sport compared to football but at what point, do they finally accept that the officiating is horrible.  Week after week, year after year.  Some of the calls are such nonsense that if they weren't so enraging, it would be funny.  They have way too much impact on a game and today was a prime example.  Sure, you can say that the Ravens shouldn't have ever put themselves in a position for the officials to screw them but in of itself, it doesn't make it any easier to accept.  I'm just tired of the whole, "we have to throw "x" number of flags to meet our quota" travesty. 

[Ravens2006]

Tight throw catch made and folks are lauding how the QB threaded the needle. Tight throw from Lamar to Bateman turns in to an INT and folks want to blame Lamar. It's comical.

There's a reason why Lamar doesn't trust Bateman, and you saw it again today on that play.

[Mackus]

Boo. That sucked.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Not to be petty or make excuses but if that POS official doesn’t throw the flag on the Adams PI we likely win.

Refs have too much power. And they largely suck at their job. Bad product

[Ravens2006]

Considering the Ravens TYPICALLY have a good or better running game, and a good or better defense... blowing 10+ point second half leads SHOULD be incredibly rare. It's not with John. Quality coaching (game management) helps protect leads late in games. John's managed to make this a frequent, multiple times a season occurrence despite the profile he is given to work with.

John doesn't add quality game management to the equation. It's been past time to try something new there.

[Biggsy]

Not to be petty or make excuses but if that POS official doesn’t throw the flag on the Adams PI we likely win.

Refs have too much power. And they largely suck at their job. Bad product

I'm typically against blaming refs. Usually the players make enough mistakes, that the refs being horrid is null and void. But today it was so obvious. The biggest play of the game was the 3rd and goal from the 17. Minshew threw up a prayer. Stephens was actually the one being held by Adams to avoid an interception. And these jabronis throw the flag, late at that, and actually call in on Stephens. In a fairly officiated game, that's a no-call 100/100 times. You can say what you want about the Ravens having a chance to still win after. That's fair. But you cannot say the gifted TD there didn't change the trajectory of the game.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Refs were god awful and so were the Ravens. IMO, both are true. They played like crap.

[hallas]

I'm typically against blaming refs. Usually the players make enough mistakes, that the refs being horrid is null and void. But today it was so obvious. The biggest play of the game was the 3rd and goal from the 17. Minshew threw up a prayer. Stephens was actually the one being held by Adams to avoid an interception. And these jabronis throw the flag, late at that, and actually call in on Stephens. In a fairly officiated game, that's a no-call 100/100 times. You can say what you want about the Ravens having a chance to still win after. That's fair. But you cannot say the gifted TD there didn't change the trajectory of the game.

I don't like the fact that they let Gardner Minshew in a position where he was only 10 points behind. This game wasn't supposed to be close.

[mdrunning]

I don't like the fact that they let Gardner Minshew in a position where he was only 10 points behind. This game wasn't supposed to be close.

Thought maybe the Ravens could have blitzed Minshew a bit more (I don't know how many times they actually did). He can be forced into bad throws under heavy pressure. Also, where was Kyle Hamilton for much of the game? He didn't seen to have much presence, especially at the line of scrimmage.