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[TwentyThirtyFive]

This is just a sloppy baseball team. Last night was winnable if you are clean and fundamental. Its beyond annoying. This is why there is no chance to gain traction and put together a winning streak or win something like 7 or 8 out of 10.

And Ive heard Hyde talk. He has mentioned it. He understands they are inconsistent and sloppy. Hes mentioned "clean baseball" a number of times. But its his job to make it better. There is nothing about the injuries we have suffered that excuses the sloppiness.

[You Play to Win the Game]

This is just a sloppy baseball team. Last night was winnable if you are clean and fundamental. Its beyond annoying. This is why there is no chance to gain traction and put together a winning streak or win something like 7 or 8 out of 10.

100% - it was right back to ugly, careless baseball last night. Just no excuse for it in late August for a club with Championship aspirations. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

100% - it was right back to ugly, careless baseball last night. Just no excuse for it in late August for a club with Championship aspirations.

It wears on me more than anything. I get that it sucks when the offense sucks on a night or the BP sucks but I can take it better than watching this team put a tent over the circus that this has been tge last few months. You cant get on a roll if you are fundamentally poor. Burnes may have not blown up in that 3rd inning last night if Urias fields the Hernandez ball cleanly. Turns the lineup over for the top with runner on vs empty with 1 out. Its everything

[RichardZ]

And Ive heard Hyde talk. He has mentioned it. He understands they are inconsistent and sloppy. Hes mentioned "clean baseball" a number of times. But its his job to make it better. There is nothing about the injuries we have suffered that excuses the sloppiness.

The great majority of the errors are physical. What we’ve heard about this team is that they work hard and put the time in. What can Hyde do to cut down on the errors by the infielders or McCann for that matter?

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Yup we got people around here that dont want the manager to be accountable for anything

[RichardZ]

Yup we got people around here that dont want the manager to be accountable for anything

Not true. Seems like you’d rather answer questions by making accusations instead of, like, actually answering the question.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

You can say whatever you want. Its physical errors. THe players have to play better. Sure, they are accountable too. No one is saying they arent. THe injuries obviously have an affect but IMO they havent caused the sloppiness they has made this team so inconsistent. THey cant put together a stretch of winning baseball right now.  Been that was for over 2 months now. The manager has to be accountable for the roster not plaiyng up to their potential. 

[RichardZ]

You can say whatever you want. Its physical errors. THe players have to play better. Sure, they are accountable too. No one is saying they arent. THe injuries obviously have an affect but IMO they havent caused the sloppiness they has made this team so inconsistent. THey cant put together a stretch of winning baseball right now.  Been that was for over 2 months now. The manager has to be accountable for the roster not plaiyng up to their potential. 

You said they are making too many errors and the manager needs to make it better. How should he make it better?

[Mackus]

I think the sloppiness can be put a lot on the manager. The player leadership also. A physical error is just something that happens, but when they happen too often then there is questions about whether the players just aren't that good anymore (maybe the case for Urias lack of range or bad throws from Adley) or if the focus isn't there (definitely the case for all the times fielders almost collide catching a flyball).

It can still be the manager's responsibility even if there isn't a ton he can do to make a change. Leadership is inherently impossible to quantify. And the same group sometimes can seem very right knit and clean and other times seem like a mess.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Demand better. Work on being better. Management is ultimately accountable when the employees arent working up to expectations. Thats life. Should be no different in a baseball dugout but all I want to hear anymore is everyone saying a manager doesnt matter. He doesnt make any difference. Its a crock of shit is what it is.

[makoman]

We’re 4th in the AL in errors. Were 3rd in 2023 and 2021, 10th in ‘22. Not sure what “demand better” is going to do. Sounds like BS frankly, and I’m no Hyde fan. They certainly work on defense.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I think the sloppiness can be put a lot on the manager. The player leadership also. A physical error is just something that happens, but when they happen too often then there is questions about whether the players just aren't that good anymore (maybe the case for Urias lack of range or bad throws from Adley) or if the focus isn't there (definitely the case for all the times fielders almost collide catching a flyball).

It can still be the manager's responsibility even if there isn't a ton he can do to make a change. Leadership is inherently impossible to quantify. And the same group sometimes can seem very right knit and clean and other times seem like a mess.

Exactly. You cant just say its physical over and over and over again. Make a change. Its not just physical anyway. We see lack of communication. We see players forgetting how many outs there are in the field. We see them not knowing how to properly execute a rundown. 

 

Lets turn to something that technically isnt an error in the SB allowed. Its a crime the way allows free bases. Demand the pitchers get faster to the plate. Learn how to execute while improving TTTP. Hats part of being better and improving. This manager does not prepare his team well and its obvious. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

We’re 4th in the AL in errors. Were 3rd in 2023 and 2021, 10th in ‘22. Not sure what “demand better” is going to do. Sounds like BS frankly, and I’m no Hyde fan. They certainly work on defense.

More crock. Its clearly not all physical errors. THis team is not playing smart baseball. Let alone anything physical or fundamental. Again, all I hear is people wanting to put absolutely zero on the manager and coaching staff. Its laughable.

[RichardZ]

Demand better. Work on being better. Management is ultimately accountable when the employees arent working up to expectations. Thats life. Should be no different in a baseball dugout but all I want to hear anymore is everyone saying a manager doesnt matter. He doesnt make any difference. Its a crock of shit is what it is.

No one said the manager doesn’t matter. Urias is in decline defensively. He’s a shell of the defender he was two years ago. Henderson is a gifted SS in his first full season at the position. Holliday is a rookie 2B playing the position full time for the first time in his career. The players work hard. From what we know, the coaches work hard to. It’s easy to pin it on the manager when there’s no clear explanation. Henderson and Holliday will get better. Urias is our best option at 3B right now.

The manager can only utilize the players he has the best that he can. You want to blame him for everything. Fine. I just don’t see any logical reasons why the physical errors are somehow the managers fault.

[RichardZ]

More crock. Its clearly not all physical errors. THis team is not playing smart baseball. Let alone anything physical or fundamental. Again, all I hear is people wanting to put absolutely zero on the manager and coaching staff. Its laughable.

More crock. Its clearly not all physical errors. THis team is not playing smart baseball. Let alone anything physical or fundamental. Again, all I hear is people wanting to put absolutely zero on the manager and coaching staff. Its laughable.

You said Burnes may not give up 4 runs if Urias doesn’t make the error last night. That’s true. Maybe not but that’s a physical error. I agree that if continuous mental errors are made it’s on the manager and coaches at some point. I don’t see how the fielding slump that Gunnar had or Urias’ declining defense are on Hyde.

[jamesdean]

No one said the manager doesn’t matter. Urias is in decline defensively. He’s a shell of the defender he was two years ago. Henderson is a gifted SS in his first full season at the position. Holliday is a rookie 2B playing the position full time for the first time in his career. The players work hard. From what we know, the coaches work hard to. It’s easy to pin it on the manager when there’s no clear explanation. Henderson and Holliday will get better. Urias is our best option at 3B right now.

The manager can only utilize the players he has the best that he can. You want to blame him for everything. Fine. I just don’t see any logical reasons why the physical errors are somehow the managers fault.

All good points.  Either you're fundamentally sound as a defense or you're not.  It's something I'm sure they work on in Spring Training ad nauseum and during the season too.  To me, a lot of the errors are just mental sloppiness and not concentrating on the job at hand. Sure, Hyde could get in their faces and demand better but how many times is that going to work before it becomes a cancer in the clubhouse?  Or maybe the errors just reflect the level of defensive ability.  Maybe some of these guys aren't as good as advertised. 

[jamesdean]

Or maybe their baseball IQ leaves a lot to be desired. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

It isnt just physical and anyone with eyes can see that. There is a lack of crispness. A lack of awareness that goes beyond just physical mistakes. How many times does GUnnar have to make a stop on a play and learn to put it in his pocket instead of trying to make a play that cant be made. How many times does Mountcastle have to botch a rundown. Holliday clearly didnt know how many outs there were SUn night. THis shit all adds up and of course the players share in the accountability. SO does management. 

[RichardZ]

All good points.  Either you're fundamentally sound as a defense or you're not.  It's something I'm sure they work on in Spring Training ad nauseum and during the season too.  To me, a lot of the errors are just mental sloppiness and not concentrating on the job at hand. Sure, Hyde could get in their faces and demand better but how many times is that going to work before it becomes a cancer in the clubhouse?  Or maybe the errors just reflect the level of defensive ability.  Maybe some of these guys aren't as good as advertised. 

Sorry. You can’t demand a baseball player to be better with physical things. “Stop making errors!” That’s ridiculous. He can demand that they work hard and work with the coaches but does anyone really think that’s the issue? I don’t.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

There is zero doubt in my mind that a different manager could runner a tighter ship. Now, does that necessarily mean the results will be better? No, we heard how Buck for example eventually wore out his welcome in his early stops in MLB because he was too much. But Im one that believes this group is a bit soft and needs more of a manager with an edge. Thats on Elias and his team to make the right call though.