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[BaltBird 24]

Corbin's descent from a very good 4-6 WAR pitcher into one of the worst SP in baseball is truly remarkable. He never relied on elite FB velocity like so many guys so it's pretty crazy how he fell from grace overnight.

[dude]

I'll say this on Rogers here (I think I said it elsewhere).

 

I don't have a problem with the player.  I think he can be good.  He's buy low. He seems to have some physical issues that he needs to get back to [whatever] and hopefully that plus [whatever] will get us back into more red on the statcast page.  He's still young, let's go.

 

My problem is the timing and the cost.  If he's a thing (the same thing we want now), you can get him months ago and there's zero reasons to be giving up what they gave up.  

 

None of that matters now, barring something extreme, you can pen him into the rotation next year, so let's go.

[dude]

Corbin's descent from a very good 4-6 WAR pitcher into one of the worst SP in baseball is truly remarkable. He never relied on elite FB velocity like so many guys so it's pretty crazy how he fell from grace overnight.

 

just FTR, no more Patrick Corbin talk from me.  I just wanted to add one more post based on his disaster the other night.  For me, he was always just a chip to create value and that doesn't matter now because you can't do anything there any more. 

[BaltBird 24]

Sort of contradicting yourself by saying he's a buy low but then saying there's zero reasons to be giving up what they gave up.

[BSLMikeLowe]

My problem is the timing and the cost.  If he's a thing (the same thing we want now), you can get him months ago and there's zero reasons to be giving up what they gave up.  

Just to expand on this, there seems to be a prevalence of thought here that because the Orioles traded two players who probably did not fit into their future that they didn’t really give up anything. That completely misses the mark. There is always an opportunity cost in play. Just because Norby/Stowers had little value to the Orioles’ big league plans does not mean they didn’t have value. Had the rotation been better addressed in the offseason like it should have, maybe instead of Rogers, Norby/Stowers could have been part of a deal that gets them a more reliable bullpen arm than what they ended up with.

[BobPhelan]

just FTR, no more Patrick Corbin talk from me. I just wanted to add one more post based on his disaster the other night. For me, he was always just a chip to create value and that doesn't matter now because you can't do anything there any more.

Thank god.

[Pedro Cerrano]

I would just like to add that Rogers and Patrick Corbin have been actually pretty similar for the last couple months, but at the deadline, Corbin gave a Nats record 11 runs that day, ....

....so hey, at least he was better than Corbin's worst ever and team record bad start. See, sunshine.

Zomg lol

[TwentyThirtyFive]

just FTR, no more  talk from me.  I just wanted to add one more post based on his disaster the other night.  For me, he was always just a chip to create value and that doesn't matter now because you can't do anything there any more. 

How did we get so lucky. He's gone guys!

[RichardZ]

How did we get so lucky. He's gone guys!

How are we going to learn about team building now?

P.S. If you want the long version that will be up later.

[dude]

Sort of contradicting yourself by saying he's a buy low but then saying there's zero reasons to be giving up what they gave up.

 

No, not at all.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Sort of contradicting yourself by saying he's a buy low but then saying there's zero reasons to be giving up what they gave up.

He just spouts nonsense. None of it makes sense

[makoman]

I thought dude said somewhere, if you want to buy low on Rogers that’s fine, don’t do it at the deadline when prices are highest, try it in April or the offseason. I can agree in general with that idea, though I have no idea if the cost would have really been too much cheaper for a controlled MLB starter.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I thought dude said somewhere, if you want to buy low on Rogers that’s fine, don’t do it at the deadline when prices are highest, try it in April or the offseason. I can agree in general with that idea, though I have no idea if the cost would have really been too much cheaper for a controlled MLB starter.

Of course it wouldnt. Why would Miami sell at his low point unless they felt the offer was too good.. Answer me that. He has a history of succeeding. He has team control. Why would they trade him for pennies on the dollar at his worst. Of course they will hold and see if he can put together a run like he had before the deadline that raises his stock. This thought that teams are always willing to sell or give up at a guys lowest point is crazy. Miami may have beem out of it by the end of April but they still need someone to throw innings. They werent just going to give a guy like that away. Not a hard concept to grasp. Dont sell low and dont buy high.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Dude 100% thinks Jackson Holliday had lost value after he was sent back down .That a team couldve got him for less the day he was sent down than before he was first called up. He thinks like a casual fan who is 15 yr old.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

He advocates for things like approaching Adley during a month long slump thinking that will make him more inclined to sign an extension. Adley's value and the way he values himself has zero to do with a month long slump. Hes just a month closer to FA. If his value has moved ever so slightly its higher as he is that much closer to FA. When I say he spouts nonsense its not to be mean or troll. Its because its true.

[dude]

Unhinged.  Seriously, someone pay attention.

[RichardZ]

Unhinged. Seriously, someone pay attention.

Haha. You drove him over the edge. Seems like you’re the one who should pay attention. Mackus, who seems like one of the more patient, grounded posters on here called you insufferable the other day. Someone who says they met you and described you as a nice guy used about three really negative characteristics to describe you as a poster. It’s not always what you say but how you say it. That’s coming from me and I know I can be abrasive.

Pay attention.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Everything I said was true and I kept it to baseball except calling him a casual 15 yr old thinker. I stand by it.

[BSLChrisStoner]

It's all just baseball / sports discussion.
Not that serious. Just a diversion from the rest of life.
All Orioles fans with October approaching.
Disagreement is good. Discussion is good.
We should all strive to not make things personal even when frustrated.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Ive said it before, he may be the salt of the earth but he knows nothing about the sport of baseball.