161 replies to this topic

[jamesdean]

I don't get this trade at all.  Rodgers stats look very pedestrian, if not lousy.  They say he's pitched better over the past month but that's a lot to hang your faith on.  Giving up both Norby and Stowers was way too much for this guy.  Not that either had much of a future in Baltimore but they could have gotten a 2nd tier starter for that package.  Rodgers, to me, is worse than Kremer.  It seems like Elias was thinning out the herd more than acquiring a decent starter.  

[BSLMikeLowe]

If a NASA rocket lands in my backyard and blows up my shed, I'm suing Mike Elias for damages.

[JoyinMudville]

With Norby gone, does this mean Holliday is on his way back up,  I hope so because I rather not see any more of Urias

 

It seems like, based on what they saw during his limited call up, that they're determined to have Holliday spend the entire season at Triple A. It seems clear that they feel he needed to make some major adjustments with him.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

2 years of service time if they find the right pixie dust to sprinkle on him. Thats all I got

[BaltBird 24]

Rogers isn't worth a top 5 organizational prospect, whether Norby had a role or not.

[mikezpen]

I think Eflin and Rogers are better than Irvin...I believe...

[McNulty]

Beyond confused

[Mackus]

I think Eflin and Rogers are better than Irvin...I believe...

 

Rogers is better than Irvin and currently better than Povich, I agree, but those guys aren't in the rotation.  I don't know if he's better than Suarez, if he is it's not by much.  We needed a clearly better SP than him, I think (and think everyone agrees just a question as to how much better).

[Mackus]

It seems like, based on what they saw during his limited call up, that they're determined to have Holliday spend the entire season at Triple A. It seems clear that they feel he needed to make some major adjustments with him.

 

At this point I think dude is gonna end up being right here and they'll wait to call up Holliday and Mayo until late enough that they still have rookie eligibility in 2025.  

 

That's 45 days, so could call them up on August 17th.  Then need to keep them under 130 AB.  Gunnar came up August 31st and got 114 AB.

[mikezpen]

I w/have much rather seen them go for a good reliever than this guy.

[McNulty]

If you flipped the returns for Eflin and Rogers, I’d still be pissed at the amount they gave up for Rogers.

His middle name is J’Daniel and now I think his parents were drunks

[Slidemaster]

So I just looked at his numbers expecting to see some ugly stat line, and it truly isn't that bad. 4.53 ERA, and 1.4 WAR. 4.42 FIP. By comparison Kremer is at -.4 WAR for the season.

The ugly part is the 1.53 WHIP and high walk rate. Maybe they feel a change in pitch usage or a small mechanical adjustment can help him. Arietta had a very similar issue when he went to the Cubs and having him stand in a different part of the rubber helped him solve all of his issues.

Let's see what happens.

[Chris B]

Hoping this goes the route of the Lopez/MIN trade in 2022 when everyone trashed that immediately after

[McNulty]

The timing of that trade was the bad part, not the return

[DuffMan]

At this point I think dude is gonna end up being right here and they'll wait to call up Holliday and Mayo until late enough that they still have rookie eligibility in 2025.  

 

That's 45 days, so could call them up on August 17th.  Then need to keep them under 130 AB.  Gunnar came up August 31st and got 114 AB.

That's disappointing.  Gimme a 2012 Manny call up and give this team a jolt

[Ravens2006]

Yeah, I'm kind of not very stoked by giving up Norby and Stowers for a guy who has posted a 1.5+ WHIP in each of his last 2 "more" healthy seasons.  But he's in the mold they seem to like a lot and always think they can develop... 6' 5" and left handed.

 

I like that Eflin doesn't give away a lot of free bases / runners with walks, and if the Orioles defense plays again like it did before the last month, I think that can pay off big.  Rogers is a leap of faith addition to me.

[Mackus]

That's disappointing.  Gimme a 2012 Manny call up and give this team a jolt

 

Manny came up August 9th, so just about the same time.

[DuffMan]

Manny came up August 9th, so just about the same time.

Seemed earlier to me, also how was that 12 years ago!?

[TwentyThirtyFive]

We heard the other day they wanted to trade Mounty and Mullins and no more prospects. I guess Rogers as a target and giving up Stowers and Norby was the compromise. Those two arent much but you barely improved the rotation. Again, maybe they unlock something that makes his decent again

[Mackus]

Could you imagine if we didn't have pretty high confidence and trust in the organization's abilities to help guys be better how badly we'd all dislike this trade?