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TRADE ALERT - Hays To Philly


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#21 BSLSteveBirrer

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:48 AM

Crap trade unless it's parlayed into something else. Opens up LF but loses a righty bat. I don't see either of these two guys getting more than a cup of coffee with the Os.

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:49 AM

Meh at best trade.

Losing Hays doesn't bother me much, but I'm not sure they got anyone that should even be on the team going forward, at least not if the pen were to properly be addressed.

#23 Mackus

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:50 AM

Dominguez is not optionable and a FA at the end of the season, so that's pretty crappy.



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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:50 AM

Maybe Dominguez has whatever traits they think they can do stuff with. He was reasonable two years ago.



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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:52 AM

To me this move says that no quality relievers are available without giving up top prospects. Philadelphia has WS aspirations and doesn't want these guys on their team. Not sure how it makes any sense.

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:54 AM

This feels like the Orioles came up on the short end because they moved one useless player but had to take back two useless players from PHI.



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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:55 AM

Getting Hays off this team is a massive win. Up until recently he had a negative WAR. .2 bref now. You ain’t getting much for that.

Beyond that, the negativity in this thread was pretty jarring for me. Dominguez is worth a shot.
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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:56 AM

Getting Hays off this team is a massive win. Up until recently he had a negative WAR. .2 bref now. You ain’t getting much for that.

Beyond that, the negativity in this thread was pretty jarring for me. Dominguez is worth a shot.

Dominguez also has negative WAR, and the damage a bad relief pitcher can do far outscales the damage a mediocre outfielder can do when they play.

#29 CantonJester

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:57 AM

IMO this is the type of trade that makes sense after the other shoe drops (second trade).



#30 Slidemaster

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:58 AM

IMO this is the type of trade that makes sense after the other shoe drops (second trade).


If any of the subsequent trades involve Pache getting any regular playing time, those trades are major mistakes.

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 11:59 AM

Maybe Elias' plan is to turn a couple of our super prospects into starting pitchers during the fall instructional league. Or maybe he's quietly lobbying MLB behind the scenes to change the game to use 10 fielders and batters hitting off a tee.😋

#32 Nigel Tufnel

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:00 PM

A right-handed-hitting CF has been a pretty glaring need...  although it would have been nice to get one who could hit.

 

Career 698 OPS against LHP, though, which is actually decent, although the sample sizes are small.  Career 369 OPS against RHP.  662 vs 336 this year.  He hit a double off of Vespi back in June.


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#33 makoman

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:00 PM

Dominguez is not optionable and a FA at the end of the season, so that's pretty crappy.

He seems to have a 8M team option, 500k buyout. Would take a massive turnaround to take it, but I suppose possible.



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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:01 PM

Getting Hays off this team is a massive win. Up until recently he had a negative WAR. .2 bref now. You ain’t getting much for that.

Beyond that, the negativity in this thread was pretty jarring for me. Dominguez is worth a shot.

This, it's addition by subtraction.


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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:02 PM

Dominguez also has negative WAR, and the damage a bad relief pitcher can do far outscales the damage a mediocre outfielder can do when they play.


I don’t post much these days, and swatting down nonsense like this is why. Cheers y’all.
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#36 Slidemaster

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:02 PM

Adding Dominguez might be subtraction by addition.

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:03 PM

I don’t post much these days, and swatting down nonsense like this is why. Cheers y’all.


Not sure how literally anything I posted is controversial or hyperbolic.

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:04 PM

My first thought is that it makes me think Kjerstad isn't going anywhere. 

 

I've always liked Hays... but trade is fine imo.  Dominguez has a lot of red on his Savant.  

He could be better than multiple existing options. 
He's obviously not enough for the pen though.

Still need one high leverage arm at the minimum, and agree with general consensus.. would like to see two other pen additions.



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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:05 PM

This, it's addition by subtraction.


Ditch one piece we don't need and add two pieces we don't need. This looks like subtraction by subtraction....is that even a thing....lol

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Posted 26 July 2024 - 12:07 PM

Keith Law says Dominguez’s arm is great, more setup than closer, and said he has heard Hays has been an issue in the clubhouse due to lack of playing time. Said O’s easily win this trade but expects more activity from them.

It cracks me up the intuitive leaps on this thread already as if this was their big swing and that they won’t get better relief or starting pitching before the deadline. Some of you people are going to have a stroke if you don’t chill the F out over every minor thing. If Hays was being a negative influence in the clubhouse then getting him out is for the betterment of the club. Quite frankly getting anything of potential use, and I stress potential, for him is a bonus imo. Relax.


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