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[weird-O]

Complaining because Elias didn't get what we needed. Tired of the well nothing was out there excuse. He didn't get it done. Period.

I'm kind of busy, and don't have the time to run through the pages in this thread. So I'll just be lazy and ask who you wanted Elias to acquire.

[mikezpen]

I'd say Elias did pretty well considering all the moves he made. Rogers and Soto have been bad, but everybody else has been good. Efflin's been a game-changer, and Jiminez has been a big addition to the lineup. And I think Soto w/snap out of it. What's more, the O's didn't give up anybody from their core prospects.

[weird-O]

I saw that Norby was sent to AAA, and Stowers is really really struggling. I never had an emotional investment in Stowers, but I hoped the opportunity to play every day in Miami, would have yielded better results. At least he'll get a real opportunity there. 

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I'm kind of busy, and don't have the time to run through the pages in this thread. So I'll just be lazy and ask who you wanted Elias to acquire.

It's Elias job to improve the club and fill the serious holes we had and still have.

No secret I wanted Skubal or Crochet. Fedde over Rogers was a no brainer. And a host of bullpen arms were out there.

But man oh man did we get some player control and we kept all of our good prospects. Yippee.

[weird-O]

It's Elias job to improve the club and fill the serious holes we had and still have.

No secret I wanted Skubal or Crochet. Fedde over Rogers was a no brainer. And a host of bullpen arms were out there.

But man oh man did we get some player control and we kept all of our good prospects. Yippee.

Thanks for reminding me. This thread was on fire for a few days there, so I couldn't remember all the details. I'm with you on Rogers. Team control doesn't make him a better arm.

[dude]

I'm kind of busy, and don't have the time to run through the pages in this thread. So I'll just be lazy and ask who you wanted Elias to acquire.

 

My points will continue to be the same.  There are a whole lot of people locally and nationally that thought that Mike Elias would "feel the moment" (or whatever) and use the prospect capital, the cost flexibility and lean into the opportunity of this season.

 

....but he didn't do that.  If you don't want to pay the costs or the players aren't reasonably available or you just aren't trading your best guys because you're hugging them or committed to their role on the team, any of that can be ok....but...

 

I'd say Elias did pretty well considering all the moves he made. Rogers and Soto have been bad, but everybody else has been good. Efflin's been a game-changer, and Jiminez has been a big addition to the lineup. And I think Soto w/snap out of it. What's more, the O's didn't give up anybody from their core prospects.

 

We added a bunch of league average guys.  Maybe we needed league average guys and that's fine if that's what you're left with (from above), but you don't have to wait until the last moments of the deadline to pay for those guys.

 

The bigger issue isn't that we failed expectations by missing big, it's that we waited until the last second and over-paid for league average.  League average was available 6+ weeks ago when we had pitchers going down and needed some reinforcement.  

 

TB was open for business in early July.  They were making a ton of moves over the period and moving stuff early would make sense for them, given the trade activity, roster needs with guys coming back and if Eflin is a target and we were willing to pay for him and the 18M year in 2025, then put that together 3-4 weeks earlier.

 

Rogers deal for both timing and cost was terrible.  Do it earlier.  Pay less.  Orioles have done well with waiver level guys and getting production out of them so if you like something about Rogers (and I'm not giving up on him like everyone else), great, but it feels like they waited until the last second, felt pressured to do more and just just decided they didn't want to deal with Norby and Stowers situations in the offseason so just threw them at the trade.

 

Dominguez and Soto were the last guys in the Phillies bullpen and the Phillies didn't want them.  It appears Soto was disgruntled in his role there and apparently had asked to be moved.  Why the hell are we giving up Johnson AND Chace fo a guy the Phillies don't want.  Again, just seemed like panicking and Elias got played.

 

Compare what Philly gave up to get Soto from DET coming off really good seasons there with 3 years of service remaining compared to what we paid for him with 1+ more expensive season coming off several less good years where he didn't want to be there and the Phillies likely were going to dump him (in the same way that someone would have taken Hays cheap this off-season when the Orioles don't really want him for a final arb year).

 

It's been 6+ years now.  This was a real opportunity to show that previous years were really about the limitations of previous ownership.  We keep hearing how everyone was together in the room committed to excellence....and this is the best they can do?  

 

I still give the deadline line a C+, but I think it's clear this (the external part) isn't the part of the job that Elias likes or excels at. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

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[BaltBird 24]

Eflin was a great addition. Baumeister, Horvath, and Etzel was a heavy price of 10-20 guys.

I'm perfectly fine with Dominguez and Soto due to their Savant pages. Both clearly have elite stuff.

Jimenez and Slater were nothing moves that have provided some help.

Rogers will remain a mystery.

[Mackus]

I'd have been pleased with the moves if we dealt the Rogers package for Fedde instead and gave less for Chafin instead of overpayig for Soto.  

 

Eflin was great but we needed another SP that was better than Kremer and instead we got someone worse than Suarez.  The Rogers trade is the worst the organization has made since giving Gausman away for money.  By far the worst thing Elias has done (or not done).

 

Dominguez wasn't on my radar but he's fine as the 2nd best RP addition.  Instead he was the best guy and we didn't get the stud we needed, instead trying a reclamation project in Soto.  If that works out then great, RP are volatile so I get it, but we're gambling with a whole lot by trying to buy low and find big time production.

 

I didn't see the need for Slater and Jimenez but can't argue with what they've done so far and the price was nothing, so good moves there.

 

I applaud the effort, but I think we overthought things in the pen and rotation rather than do safer, smarter things to improve the team and give best shot at winning division and advancing in postseason.  Really curious what the price would've been for the Giant to move Snell.

[dude]

A bump in their minor league system? Come now. First off, I doubt that’s the reason plus how much of a bump can Connor Norby give a system? Seems pretty silly. 

 

My point wasn't just about Norby (all the guys they acquired) and you kind of need the next update to come out.  mlb.com just came out with their new update a day or so ago.

 

Norby is ranked 3rd in their system.  6 of the top 12 guys (plus 2 more from the draft including Carter Johnson) comprise their top 12 were traded for including 3-4-5-6. (updated, Meyer just broke status)

 

Norby is outside of a fringe top-100 and still ranked among top10 2B but keeping their top 4 acquired prospects as prospects certainly has some bearing on their system ranking heading into 2025.  Maybe they don't care, but trading a bunch of stuff at the deadline and having your system ranking get worse would seem like a public marketing fail.  The Marlins already have a lot of issues.