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[TwentyThirtyFive]

Our core has been there before. That’s what is kind of odd about that commentary. Feels like something may be going on here.

I wouldnt be surprised if there are some clubhouse issues bubbling. But I also think they need to play with more of an edge. Ben may notice the same as me from afar.

[You Play to Win the Game]

How did they not understand that off the heels of getting swept in a total non-competitive manner with HFA last year?

[CantonJester]

Yeah Eovaldi > Scherzer at this point and I would want the player option to trigger.

 

 

Eovaldi will cost more, and it's not like they'd be shipping prospects to Colorado. 

[Mackus]

Get Nathan Evoladi and David Robertson.

Doubt the Rangers sell, but those guys are perfect if they do. Kirby Yates might be a better fit than Robertson.

Eflin arm Eovaldi was my ideal week, but don't think Rangers are gonna cooperate.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Rangers are right back in it thanks to Seattle, and their own run, something like 16-4 or thereabouts in their last 20. It’s rather unfortunate, but they’re definitely not selling. In fact, I read earlier they are bat shopping as several hurt pitchers are nearing their return.

[Mackus]

Yeah Eovaldi > Scherzer at this point and I would want the player option to trigger.

He's declining the option if it vests. Unless he blows out his elbow in his final start.

[BaltBird 24]

Can't imagine who'd be a clubhouse problem. Mullins? Mountcastle? Hays, but he's gone now.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

How did they not understand that off the heels of getting swept in a total non-competitive manner with HFA last year?

Money was an issue in the offseason though they still coud've targeted guys that helped in that area. Plus the roster was pretty much set. 

 

 

But I guess for the 100th time I'll go in on Hyde and I'll just say that my biggest issue with him is I don't think he is a guy that is telling this group they are the baddest MFers in this league. That top to bottom when they play well no one in the AL can touch them. And his vibe on the field doesn't match that. I want a damn manager who is telling these guys everyday to play with an edge and dont take crap from anyone. Not the Yanks. Not the umps. No one. And the manager should be the one out on the field everyday showing his guys he is their leader and has their back. Hyde is not a type A personality. THats the leader I think this club needs right now.

[CantonJester]

Can't imagine who'd be a clubhouse problem. Mullins? Mountcastle? Hays, but he's gone now.

 

IMO it could be a leadership vacuum. 

 

And that might've been what Ben was talking about. 

[BaltBird 24]

I will say, I don't think I've ever heard Orioles broadcasters as critical of the O's struggles as I have these past few games. Jim has always been able to call out their play, but no one else. Feel like Kevin and Ben have been very critical of late.

[Mackus]

I never really buy when they tell us that Kyle Gibson or James McCann are great clubhouse guys. Not gonna get worried about the clubhouse being a problem now. You're playing badly now, that's indisputable. I don't think the bad play is caused by any weakness in the player leadership. I think we need to see a lot more to think that. Is pretty much impossible for any fan like is to have a meaningful opinion on locker room stuff so you just see dumbed down analysis like "playing bad = bad leadership, playing good = good leadership". I've been guilty of the same infantile logic in the past, so not throwing stones, but it's just not something we can know.

But whatever, the leadership isn't changing. So either whine and quit or deal with who's here and go win games. The team is loaded. The play matched that for a long time. I expect it to return to that level pretty soon. Assuming Elias finishes the good work started with the Eflin trade.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I never really but when they tell us that Kyle Gibson or James McCann are great clubhouse guys. Not gonna get worried about the clubhouse being a problem now. You're playing badly now, that's indisputable. I don't think the bad play is caused by any weakness in the player leadership. I think we need to see a lot more to think that. Is pretty much impossible for any fan like is to have a meaningful opinion on locker room stuff so you just see dumbed down analysis like "playing bad = bad leadership, playing good = good leadership". I've been guilty of the same infantile logic in the past, so not throwing stones, but it's just not something we can know.

But whatever, the leadership isn't changing. So either whine and quit or deal with who's here and go win games. The team is loaded. The play matched that for a long time. I expect it to return to that level pretty soon. Assuming Elias finishes the good work started with the Eflin trade.

You can see signs of it on the field. I may not have the full picture but I can see signs on the field. Talking about the managers personality and leadership skills. I dont think Hyde is a great in game manager but I could deal with it. I despise what I do see from a personality and leadership standpoint.

[Mackus]

You can see signs of it on the field. I may not have the full picture but I can see signs on the field. Talking about the managers personality and leadership skills. I dont think Hyde is a great in game manager but I could deal with it. I despise what I do see from a personality and leadership standpoint.

You can't, though, that's my point. Not just you, none of us.

Too much noise to find any signal.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

You can't. Not just you, none of us.

Disagree. We can fairly accurately size up personality and leadership ability when we see Hyde as much as we do.

[Mackus]

Disagree. You can fairly accurately size up personality and leadership ability when we see Hyde as much as we do.

No. Certainly no to "fairly accurately".

[Slidemaster]

This is hilarious.

[RichardZ]

You can see signs of it on the field. I may not have the full picture but I can see signs on the field. Talking about the managers personality and leadership skills. I dont think Hyde is a great in game manager but I could deal with it. I despise what I do see from a personality and leadership standpoint.

Dude, is that you? Brothers from another mother? Or maybe separated at birth?

[mdrunning]

Can't imagine who'd be a clubhouse problem. Mullins? Mountcastle? Hays, but he's gone now.

I've seen other message boards citing Hays as a clubhouse problem, but no sources were ever cited so take that with a grain of salt.

 

What I do think is hurting is too many platoons and too many guys who think they should be playing more and aren't. That can certainly cause friction. All teams use platoons, but the roles are clearly defined. Back when Earl was managing, the Orioles had a leftfield platoon of Lowenstein and Roenicke. When a righty was starting, Brother Lo knew he'd be in the lineup and got himself ready to play that day. Likewise with Rhino vs. a lefty. The same with Rich Dauer and Billy Smith at second.

 

These logjams at various positions create too much uncertainty. Anyone who's ever been in professional baseball knows that you simply can't expect players to sit four or five games a week and then be expected to perform when they are in the lineup. It just doesn't work that way. So there is such a thing as having too much talent on a ballclub because too many guys don't know what their roles are. I think it's also part of the reason for the defensive gaffes we've been seeing lately. Teamwork isn't simply everyone getting along with each other; it's knowing each other's strengths and weaknesses, which is especially critical in the field. Having different lineups almost every day results in miscommunication and errors. 

 

For the record, I don't put this on Hyde. He can only play the chips he has and right now he simply has too many players and too few positions in which to play them.

[dude]

I swear I need to figure out how to get property rights to my islands.

[mweb08]

Eovaldi, Snell, Flahery, or Fedde plus an actual legit high leverage reliever please.

Although the price for Snell just went up.