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[weird-O]

Along the lines of what I think Slide is focusing on (correct me if I'm wrong), what about the idea of acquiring Crochet for the future? What  mean is, it sounds like he isn't going to be much help this season. But next year he's going to be a (Near the TOR) starter. It doesn't help them now, but what a get for 2025. And they'll need that kind of starter, if they plan to compete next year. 

 

In my estimation, that move shouldn't interfere with moves they make for this Oct. But why not be forward thinking. I'm sure Elias can walk and chew gum at the same time. 

[makoman]

Along the lines of what I think Slide is focusing on (correct me if I'm wrong), what about the idea of acquiring Crochet for the future? What  mean is, it sounds like he isn't going to be much help this season. But next year he's going to be a (Near the TOR) starter. It doesn't help them now, but what a get for 2025. And they'll need that kind of starter, if they plan to compete next year. 

 

In my estimation, that move shouldn't interfere with moves they make for this Oct. But why not be forward thinking. I'm sure Elias can walk and chew gum at the same time. 

Anecdotally deadline deals always seem to have a premium. E.g. Cease supposedly costing Holliday last July vs what he cost in the winter. If a deal is mainly for 2025, then yeah if it's a good deal just do it, but the main focus should be this year and worry about 2025 more in the offseason. See what happens in FA, spend money instead of prospects if you can, and then look at a Burnes or Cease type of deal if needed.

 

This assumes you don't think Crochet is doing much in the playoffs. If you think he's available all year he's as good a get as anybody, but I have no idea on that.

[Slidemaster]

Along the lines of what I think Slide is focusing on (correct me if I'm wrong), what about the idea of acquiring Crochet for the future? What mean is, it sounds like he isn't going to be much help this season. But next year he's going to be a (Near the TOR) starter. It doesn't help them now, but what a get for 2025. And they'll need that kind of starter, if they plan to compete next year.

In my estimation, that move shouldn't interfere with moves they make for this Oct. But why not be forward thinking. I'm sure Elias can walk and chew gum at the same time.

This is where my head is. If he's willing to accept an extension now, it might be worth pulling the trigger. He's likely only going to get more expensive and he may not want an extension the closer he gets to FA. The prospect cost might be higher but the upside is 5+ years of a reasonably priced #1 or #2.

[weird-O]

This is where my head is. If he's willing to accept an extension now, it might be worth pulling the trigger. He's likely only going to get more expensive and he may not want an extension the closer he gets to FA. The prospect cost might be higher but the upside is 5+ years of a reasonably priced #1 or #2.

The deadline cost is definitely a negative. But this is how the less wealthy stay competitive. 

[Slidemaster]

The deadline cost is definitely a negative. But this is how the less wealthy stay competitive.

I would trade Basallo or Kjerstad along with Norby for Crochet if I knew he'd extend for 7/135ish.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I would trade Basallo or Kjerstad along with Norby for Crochet if I knew he'd extend for 7/135ish.

Then why wouldn't you make the same trade for Skubal? You know he's under control through 2026. Perhaps that's not enough. But should be close. Maybe Basallo/Kjerstad, Norby, and Barfield?

[Slidemaster]

Then why wouldn't you make the same trade for Skubal? You know he's under control through 2026.

More guaranteed control through this entire competitive window, and as much as nothing is a sure thing, knowing that Crochet has already had TJS makes me a little more confident that he can avoid another surgery for a while. Skubal is also a Boras client.

Also the proposed deal for Skubal was Kjerstad AND Basallo and Norby.

[makoman]

Skubal had TJ in college, for whatever that's worth.

[Slidemaster]

Skubal had TJ in college, for whatever that's worth.

He did, but it was almost 8 years ago. I don't know if this has remained true, but I remember when Strasburg had his TJS, there were reports that the average shelf life of a new ligament was about 8 years. We are right at that point for Skubal.

[makoman]

He did, but it was almost 8 years ago. I don't know if this has remained true, buy I remember when Strasburg had his TJS, there were reports that the average shelf life of a new ligament was about 8 years. We are right at that point for Skubal.

Fair enough, I have no idea if that's a thing, but it could be.

[RichardZ]

Fair enough, I have no idea if that's a thing, but it could be.

Skubal had a “flexor tendon repair” in 2022. I don’t think that would make me feel any better about his future health but just putting it out there. I actually think Crochet has the smoother arm action FWIW.

[NewMarketSean]

Would anyone be willing to take on Snell? 

[Steve55]

Skubal had a “flexor tendon repair” in 2022. I don’t think that would make me feel any better about his future health but just putting it out there. I actually think Crochet has the smoother arm action FWIW.

 

 

Both of these guys are being way over valued for less than a season of good pitching.

[Slidemaster]

Would anyone be willing to take on Snell?

If they give him away and eat half his contract, sure.

[Slidemaster]

Both of these guys are being way over valued for less than a season of good pitching.

To be fair to Crochet, he has a top notch prospect pedigree and the results have been electric. I wouldn't like getting in on the ground floor and locking up top flight production for #2-3 money.

[mweb08]

I'd actually be very happy if they brought Flaherty back despite last year being a failure. The guy is pitching really well.

Fedde would be a strong pickup as well.

Obviously there's plenty of others that should be helpful, but those two stand out as guys that shouldn't cost that much.

[Steve55]

To be fair to Crochet, he has a top notch prospect pedigree and the results have been electric. I wouldn't like getting in on the ground floor and locking up top flight production for #2-3 money.

 

 

He was a RP converted to starter. How many more innings can you expect this season. Now he wants a new deal and no bullpen.

[Slidemaster]

He was a RP converted to starter. How many more innings can you expect this season. Now he wants a new deal and no bullpen.

Wasn't he drafted as a starter originally?

I don't expect much this season but it's a move I would make for the future. He also didn't say (to my knowledge) that he wouldn't pitch out of the bullpen in October this year.

[makoman]

Wasn't he drafted as a starter originally?

I don't expect much this season but it's a move I would make for the future. He also didn't say (to my knowledge) that he wouldn't pitch out of the bullpen in October this year.

This is the first year he ever started in the pros. Started about 1/3 of the time in college.

[Slidemaster]

This is the first year he ever started in the pros. Started about 1/3 of the time in college.

Right, but you don't take a guy at #11 overall to be a reliever. He had TJS in 2022, which explains in part the lack of starting experience.

But look at the results. He's electric.