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[BSLSteveBirrer]

Little bummed that we're leaving Miami without Tanner Scott on the plane.

would they take Kimbrel straight up....lol

[Slidemaster]

I think it'd be a travesty to not add to this year's team. I think there is plenty of room for disagreement over if we should pony up the price for Skubal/Crochet or pay less for the next tier down of pitcher, but its absurd for anyone to think that we shouldn't be adding to this squad. The holes are very clear, but that also means they are very fixable. It'd be a travesty to not make the necessary moves. Unfortunately I think you'd have to grade Elias' last two deadlines as each being a travesty, but I find myself feeling oddly optimistic that he approaches this year differently.

They should add, but they should shop on the bottom shelf. No need to waste 6+ years of all star caliber talent for a team this flawed.

[makoman]

This is weird... the top 2 teams in each division's record in their last 10 games:

 

Baltimore: 4-6

New York: 4-6

Cleveland: 4-6

Minnesota: 4-6

Houston: 5-5

Seattle: 2-8

Philadelphia: 4-6

Atlanta: 3-7

Milwaukee: 6-4

St. Louis: 5-5

LA Dodgers: 6-4

San Diego: 5-5

 

WTF?

 

 

They should add, but they should shop on the bottom shelf. No need to waste 6+ years of all star caliber talent for a team this flawed.

What team isn't flawed? See above.

 

Does the last ~week really mean that much more than the previous 90 games?

[Slidemaster]

What team isn't flawed? See above.

Does the last ~week really mean that much more than the previous 90 games?

It has been a month of mediocrity, and even their offense, which is the strongest aspect of the team, is streaky and inconsistent.

Winning it all is still possible, but to me they're more of a "get in and pray" type team than one that is really built to make a run. I'm not giving up future all stars with that being the case.

[makoman]

It has been a month of mediocrity, and even their offense, which is the strongest aspect of the team, is streaky and inconsistent.

Winning it all is still possible, but to me they're more of a "get in and pray" type team than one that is really built to make a run. I'm not giving up future all stars with that being the case.

The Braves WS team in 2021 was by far the worst of their recent teams. They were 52-54 at the end of July. The 2022-23 teams that were built to make a run won 1 playoff game each. The Dodgers have been built to make a run yet lose in the playoffs in every non COVID year.

 

The Diamondbacks were still under 500 in mid August last year. The Rangers slept through the entire second half. Get in and pray is what the playoffs are all about.

[Slidemaster]

The Braves WS team in 2021 was by far the worst of their recent teams. They were 52-54 at the end of July. The 2022-23 teams that were built to make a run won 1 playoff game each. The Dodgers have been built to make a run yet lose in the playoffs in every non COVID year.

The Diamondbacks were still under 500 in mid August last year. The Rangers slept through the entire second half. Get in and pray is what the playoffs are all about.

Not disagreeing. They have already reached the threshold of being good enough to win the World Series if they get lucky and hot at the right time. They're also flawed enough that I don't think what they are able to acquire at the deadline meaningfully changes their chance of doing that.

This isn't a team that's one or two pieces from being a juggernaut. They need far more than that, and I'm unwilling to part with guys who should be very good MLB players to make them slightly less flawed this year in an act of desperation.

Get who you can for guys like Fabian or Beavers or whoever, and roll with it. I'm firmly off the train of paying a premium for guys with an artificially inflated value at the deadline who probably aren't the difference maker anyway.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

They should add, but they should shop on the bottom shelf. No need to waste 6+ years of all star caliber talent for a team this flawed.

Are you talking about Holliday? Bombed in his first test.

Are you talking about Basallo or Mayo? They have a combined zero ML at bats.

Calling these guys 6 year all stars is a huge stretch. But the biggest flaw in your logic is that these guys do not fix our biggest issue. Not one of these guys are starting pitching. Even if, and it's a big if, they really do make our offense improved and more consistent, the 3 biggest holes remain. Two starters behind GRod and a closer. By far the most likely path to get those is with our trade chips. It's the resource we have more than any other team. If we have to go after our needs with money only, generally speaking, we will lose to the usual suspects.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

They should add, but they should shop on the bottom shelf. No need to waste 6+ years of all star caliber talent for a team this flawed.

You are a headcase. This is all it took for you to be all like they are the best team in the AL and one of the favs to win the WS to "a team this flawed they should shop on the bottom shelf". We are the best team in the AL and the 2nd best team in baseball. Bunch of damn nonsense around here. Is not just you, but this crap has to stop

[BSLChrisStoner]

He wants to add, but doesn't want to give up one of the top 4 prospects.

Are we sure Elias feels any different?

[You Play to Win the Game]

He wants to add, but doesn't want to give up one of the top 4 prospects.

Are we sure Elias feels any different?

If he feels different because of these last few games, he should be fired. That’s the point here.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

If he feels different because of these last few games, he should be fired. That’s the point here.

slidemaster has gone from saying things like I think the Os are great and a legit title contender to "they have already reached the threshold of being good enough to win the World Series if they get lucky and hot at the right time. They're also flawed enough that I don't think what they are able to acquire at the deadline meaningfully changes their chance of doing that".  All in a matter of two weeks. He's just a guy who wants nothing more than to roll over and give up when things get tough. Not sure why he is being defended. I said he would be singing a different tune by October when he was acting like the Os were different and how much confidence he had in them vs the Ravens. It only took him 2 weeks. 

[CantonJester]

slidemaster has gone from saying things like I think the Os are great and a legit title contender to "they have already reached the threshold of being good enough to win the World Series if they get lucky and hot at the right time. They're also flawed enough that I don't think what they are able to acquire at the deadline meaningfully changes their chance of doing that".  All in a matter of two weeks. He's just a guy who wants nothing more than to roll over and give up when things get tough. Not sure why he is being defended. I said he would be singing a different tune by October when he was acting like the Os were different and how much confidence he had in them vs the Ravens. It only took him 2 weeks. 

 

You're too much bro.

 

You come at me all the time for this or that, and hell, just the other day you wanted to trade Colton Cowser instead of prospects that might not pan out, all because you're not sold on him.

 

I think that makes you overreactive, but that's your right to your own opinion, man.

 

TL;DR ~ Lighten up, Francis. 

[Slidemaster]

slidemaster has gone from saying things like I think the Os are great and a legit title contender to "they have already reached the threshold of being good enough to win the World Series if they get lucky and hot at the right time. They're also flawed enough that I don't think what they are able to acquire at the deadline meaningfully changes their chance of doing that". All in a matter of two weeks. He's just a guy who wants nothing more than to roll over and give up when things get tough. Not sure why he is being defended. I said he would be singing a different tune by October when he was acting like the Os were different and how much confidence he had in them vs the Ravens. It only took him 2 weeks.

You have this bizarre notion that acknowledging the teams limitations makes a fan "weak" and I don't get it at all. They're a good roster with some serious flaws, and I'm not willing to trade all their blue chippers for overpriced players who won't even necessarily fix the problem.

I just can't take you or what you say seriously anymore, and I don't need to defend anything I say or think to you.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I just can't take you or what you say seriously anymore, and I don't need to defend anything I say or think to you.

There is nothing to defend. You give up and give in at the first sign of adversity. Its written with your words

[Slidemaster]

There is nothing to defend. You give up and give in at the first sign of adversity. Its apparent with your words

What is "giving up and giving in?"

Do I not pay attention to games anymore? Do I not want them to win?

I've literally said they can win the World Series if they get hot at the right time, but they are not demonstrably better than any of the other 6-8 teams that can do the same thing, and I'm not trading our blue chip prospects to try go for it in a year where they are already struggling to field a pitching staff in July. The risk is too great.

[NewMarketSean]

They need a SP and two top flight BP arms. At least.

But what they really need is to get the offense going. That is the biggest move they could make at deadline. Just start hitting.

Otherwise the pitching additions won't make a difference.

[Slidemaster]

They need a SP and two top flight BP arms. At least.

But what they really need is to get the offense going. That is the biggest move they could make at deadline. Just start hitting.

This is what scares me most. Their greatest strength has shown it is streaky and inconsistent. Even if they fix the pitching it doesn't fix that.

[NewMarketSean]

This is what scares me most. Their greatest strength has shown it is streaky and inconsistent. Even if they fix the pitching it doesn't fix that.

The offense is too good to remain this bad. Its streaky so just have to hope it's hot when we get into the postseason. Not a bad plan IMO.

Worse teams than the 2024 Orioles have won the WS. Even through this bad stretch that is,what,I keep reminding myself.