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[Mackus]

Yeah we will see how much life they have. This is Hyde's biggest test. Rest of the players too. Time for these guys to grow up and become hardened. Lets hope they answer the call.

They always do. This isn't the first slump. Should be zero concern from everyone that the team will bounce back. They have limitations on the pitching staff, so fair to question if they'll stay on a 100 win pace. But this isn't a club that will collapse. And as long as Elias supports them with the right additions, I think it's most likely that they get right back to playing at an elite level.

It sucks living through the slump, for sure. They haven't played well lately and they should be.

[BSLChrisStoner]

What did Kjerstad do? But I agree. I'm not coming for Rice. I'm coming for Judge and Soto and I'm doing it until they eject and suspend someone.

Yankees were reacting to the last series in NY.

Bunch of false bravado.

The real result will be that it will be harder to pitch inside today and tomorrow. Someone will come in, and the umps might warn or just give an immediate hook and leave you short handed.

Want to deliver a message? The bats need to wake up and you win these two games.

[BSLChrisStoner]

I think Buck was a far superior mgr to Hyde.

I dont think Hyde's limitations have that much impact.

If he isn't outwardly fiery enough, I don't think that matters at all.

No way of knowing what he is saying on the bench or in the clubhouse anyway.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

They always do. This isn't the first slump. Should be zero concern from everyone that the team will bounce back. They have limitations on the pitching staff, so fair to question if they'll stay on a 100 win pace. But this isn't a club that will collapse. And as long as Elias supports them with the right additions, I think it's most likely that they get right back to playing at an elite level.

It sucks living through the slump, for sure. They haven't played well lately and they should be.

I dont doubt the talent. Dont doubt that they will make the playoffs. I do think they need to start playing with some fire. Defending themselves more. Ive told Ricker that I think they are fairly soft. I get that unlike say football or basketball there isnt much of a physicallity aspect to baseball. It may not be as important as in those sports but its still a mindset that serves you well in competition. I want to see these guys standing up for themselves. They rarely bark at umps. No one ever gets tossed. They let Gunnar and Cowser get hit and no barking at the Yanks. The Yanks were always gonna keep pushing and Kjersted got hit tonight. They will keep pushing. Thats what bullies do.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Like I get anyone saying go play baseball and beat them on the field but you have to defend yourself. Cowser had a ball at his head in NY after they hit Gunnar. Baltimore let it go. And Kjersted still got beaned in the f'ing head last night. On purpose. Holmes wasnt aiming at his head but he was throwing at him. They wont stop. Bullies dont stop. Physically you have to protect yourself. I really hope there was a clubhouse meeting last night and they said enough. I love that they just want to play baseball and that ideally they dont want drama but there comes a time when you say enough is enough.

[jamesdean]

Will an Orioles pitcher throw at one of the Yankees today?  Maybe.  But the way to get back is to just beat their asses between the lines and do it in a way that embarrasses them.  This is one time where the so called "understood rules" goes out the window.  Even if they have a 10-run lead, steal 2nd.  Steal third.  Drag a bunt for a hit with a big lead.  Intentionally walk Judge every frickin time he comes up. Frustrate them.  Make them look like fools.  That's the way you get back at them.  And if they throw at another Oriole?  Clear the benches and this time, have more than one guy go straight for Judge and injure him.  Take him out.  I know that sounds very "unsportsman like" but that's how I would handle it.  And Boone or any of his players can whine to the press all they want.  Who cares? 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

There is no way Fredi handles this the same way as Hyde has handled it. mweb had is war time consigliere thread last year about Elias. Im calling out Hyde. Hyde isnt one and thats indisputable. Give Fredi the job.

[NewMarketSean]

I can't wait for the Jomboy breakdown.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Why are you giving a Yankee fan clicks. Horrible. That guy is a loser and a fraud

[NewMarketSean]

Why are you giving a Yankee fan clicks. Horrible. That guy is a loser and a fraud

 

I like his analysis of baseball. Especially altercations. He's been critical of the Yankees and their fans in the past.

[russsnyder]

This team needs some fire. THe Yanks were always going to try to punk us and bully us. They were going to continue to test us. Its their arrogance. I told Ricker before we played one game against the Yanks this year that they would try us. Theyve hit our players over 3 times as much as we have hit them. THey threw at us twice in the 2nd game of the last series and Hyde did nothing about it. . Bullies dont stop til you stand up to them and Kjersted got it last night because of Hyde's failures. . THis team is soft and that starts with Hyde. They are a talented baseball team but they are soft. THey need to grow some balls and that starts with the manager. Freddie GOnzalez has shown more fire in his belly than anyone on this team. Certainly more than Hyde throughout this whole thing. He is the man for the job and I've said that all before. You need someone whos going to have this team prepared for intensity like this rivalry and the intensity of playoff baseball and that is not Hyde. The sooner we move away from Hyde the better. God knows I dont want this team to limp down the stretch nor do I want another quick playoff exit but if it means Hyde gets canned it probably is the best thing in the long run. We are closer to the beginning than end of our window with a lot of these core pieces. Wasting 3 or 4 years in the middle of this window with a guy like Hyde who cant get the job done would be tragic. With every fiber of my being I believe what Im saying. He's not a guy who can win a WS with this team.

This is a good post, but I don't think the team is necessarily "soft." This team plays hard, but they play clean baseball. Further, as much talent as they have, the team is made up of pretty good guys. In short, while they play hard, they don't have guys that have that nasty edge. Where is Rougned Odor when you need him? LOl

I think winning the next two games is onviously the ultimate payback. However, the targeting of Kjerstad takes this situation to another level. The intent was to hurt that kid and no one can convince me otherwise. They really don't have a position player who plays with an edge like Odor. So I doubt we see a hard late slide into Volpe, but I'd love to see it from a guy like Hays.

I think they have to hit Judge, but you have to be smart about. Do it when you are several runs up or down. Don't throw behind him because that will get you an ejection and most likely a suspension. Drill him in the middle to his lower back to send the message. The pitcher can always say that the pitch got away from him. Like 2035 stated, sometimes you have to stand up to the bully.I think we are at that point

[NewMarketSean]

I think any retaliation will come on Sunday.

 

Otherwise, just beat these punks.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I do think the O's players, in general, are soft. They don't play with that killer instinct. I am not talking about playing tough or mean. But look at our hitting with RISP the last week. Its that kind of thing. We don't bury teams when we have the chance. Sunday's A's game was a great example. We scored 4 in the first and one in the third. Then went to sleep and tried to let the A's back in the game. Had Spence on the ropes in the first then let him go 6 innings.

 

When things are going great they fire on all cylinders. But I have not seen this team really show they can fight off adversity very well. Maybe they show something today?

[Mackus]

100 wins last year, just fell below the same pace this year. Tons of comeback victories, almost zero losing streaks. Sounds really soft to me.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I would need evidence that confronting umpires, getting ejected or committing other acts to "pump up" the team results in victory. No one tries to win one for the Gipper in baseball.

Here's my evidence. What he's doing now aint working. Really what is the downside? Hyde goes out there to support Santander. He gets tossed. The team doesn't fire up and lose anyway. So what's the harm. But maybe, just maybe it does pay off and put some life into the team.

[Ravens2006]

...Drill him in the middle to his lower back to send the message. The pitcher can always say that the pitch got away from him. Like 2035 stated, sometimes you have to stand up to the bully.I think we are at that point

They should just drop the charade at this point. The Yankees have been drilling Orioles hitters on purpose all season. Hitting Kjerstad was NOT an accident, Holmes and Boone are full of chit. Maybe he didn't want to hit him in the temple, but shoulder / upper arm was the target at best.

Kjerstad is the latest power threat, 3 run lead with just 2 outs to go. If that's a tie game, or bases loaded and tying run on third, ZERO CHANCE he hits him in the head. Maybe a breaking ball gets away and clips his foot. But ZERO chance he drills him like that. The pitch was intentional, and at BEST he missed his target by a little bit.

Whatever. Charades, pretense, lies... throw them all out the window. The Yankees have been drilling Orioles hitters all year because they want to and the Orioles are their biggest obstacle. An earhole or two in retribution will put it on Boone to end it. And that guy is pond scum.

[russsnyder]

100 wins last year, just fell below the same pace this year. Tons of comeback victories, almost zero losing streaks. Sounds really soft to me.

I agree totally.

A soft team doesn't play winning baseball.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

This team needs some fire. THe Yanks were always going to try to punk us and bully us. They were going to continue to test us. Its their arrogance. I told Ricker before we played one game against the Yanks this year that they would try us. Theyve hit our players over 3 times as much as we have hit them. THey threw at us twice in the 2nd game of the last series and Hyde did nothing about it. . Bullies dont stop til you stand up to them and Kjersted got it last night because of Hyde's failures. . THis team is soft and that starts with Hyde. They are a talented baseball team but they are soft. THey need to grow some balls and that starts with the manager. Freddie GOnzalez has shown more fire in his belly than anyone on this team. Certainly more than Hyde throughout this whole thing. He is the man for the job and I've said that all before. You need someone whos going to have this team prepared for intensity like this rivalry and the intensity of playoff baseball and that is not Hyde. The sooner we move away from Hyde the better. God knows I dont want this team to limp down the stretch nor do I want another quick playoff exit but if it means Hyde gets canned it probably is the best thing in the long run. We are closer to the beginning than end of our window with a lot of these core pieces. Wasting 3 or 4 years in the middle of this window with a guy like Hyde who cant get the job done would be tragic. With every fiber of my being I believe what Im saying. He's not a guy who can win a WS with this team.

I am starting to see Hyde exactly as how a lot of fans saw Gregg Berhalter with the US Men's soccer team.

1. A great players manager. Guys liked going to work every day.

2. Put a solid plan in place and the players bought into that plan and executed it, well mostly.

3. Built a really good team atmosphere.

But:

1. Didn't seem to hold players accountable when they screwed up or weren't performing acceptably.

2. The team on the field was soft and didn't handle adversity very well.

3.  Not very good at in game adjustments.

 

And I agree that once the games get going that the manager mostly sits back and its on the players. BUT there are still decisions to be made by the manager that can and do impact the games. I think Hyde is just not good at that and it hurts this team.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

This is a good post, but I don't think the team is necessarily "soft." This team plays hard, but they play clean baseball. Further, as much talent as they have, the team is made up of pretty good guys. In short, while they play hard, they don't have guys that have that nasty edge. Where is Rougned Odor when you need him? LOl

I think winning the next two games is onviously the ultimate payback. However, the targeting of Kjerstad takes this situation to another level. The intent was to hurt that kid and no one can convince me otherwise. They really don't have a position player who plays with an edge like Odor. So I doubt we see a hard late slide into Volpe, but I'd love to see it from a guy like Hays.

I think they have to hit Judge, but you have to be smart about. Do it when you are several runs up or down. Don't throw behind him because that will get you an ejection and most likely a suspension. Drill him in the middle to his lower back to send the message. The pitcher can always say that the pitch got away from him. Like 2035 stated, sometimes you have to stand up to the bully.I think we are at that point

Just wish we had some more guys who played with an edge. GUnnar has some edge to him but no one else at all really comes to mind.  Dont need 26 of them but need more than we have and a manager who has that in him too

[CantonJester]

This is a good post, but I don't think the team is necessarily "soft." This team plays hard, but they play clean baseball. Further, as much talent as they have, the team is made up of pretty good guys. In short, while they play hard, they don't have guys that have that nasty edge. Where is Rougned Odor when you need him? LOl

I think winning the next two games is onviously the ultimate payback. However, the targeting of Kjerstad takes this situation to another level. The intent was to hurt that kid and no one can convince me otherwise. They really don't have a position player who plays with an edge like Odor. So I doubt we see a hard late slide into Volpe, but I'd love to see it from a guy like Hays.

I think they have to hit Judge, but you have to be smart about. Do it when you are several runs up or down. Don't throw behind him because that will get you an ejection and most likely a suspension. Drill him in the middle to his lower back to send the message. The pitcher can always say that the pitch got away from him. Like 2035 stated, sometimes you have to stand up to the bully.I think we are at that point

 

Curious. 

 

Hanlon’s Razor postulates never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

I mean, yeah, the Yankees are reckless AF with their approach to pitching that has them leading MLB in hit batsmen (62 in 96 games). League average (or rather, the 15th ranked team, has 37 hit batsmen). 

 

However, Volpe tried to tag Kjerstad on a SB attempt earlier in the game, and because he was in Kjerstad’s way, there was a collision, and Volpe got thrown like a rag doll. During the subsequent review the Yankees called, the entire Yankee IF plus their OF (minus Soto, who stayed in RF on one knee, looking like a tool) congregated around the recently discarded/tossed SS, and appeared to poke fun at him. After the call stood, Boone was seen in the dugout biitching about it. Kevin Brown wondered if he was complaining about receiving bad advice from the booth review team…

 

I guess I’m suggesting the stupidity applied here is a feeble attempt to even a score. A score born from their frustration (cuz Kjerstad did nothing wrong - it wasn’t even a hard slide).