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[CantonJester]

It is genuinely wild to me how people can't admit that Burnes is not a dominant guy anymore and is more of a good #2 than an Ace, without resorting to this nonsense that nobody has said. Just because something isn't a 10 doesn't mean it's a 1.

Nobody said he was bad. But he's 67th in the league in WAR for pitchers.

 

Filter for SP. 

 

Corbin Burnes is 16th in the AL for SP WAR.

 

Yeah, outside of opening day, he's not been elite. Don't worry. It's coming. 

[Slidemaster]

Filter for SP.

Corbin Burnes is 16th in the AL for SP WAR.

Yeah, outside of opening day, he's not been elite. Don't worry. It's coming.

16th in the AL isn't that impressive.

I mean, I hope it's coming. I want it to. I expected it to. But people acting like I'm calling him garbage because I'm correctly observing that he has really not been an Ace doesn't make sense.

My other favorite thing is all the "nOt An AcE hUh???" comments that I'll inevitably get when he does literally anything good, as though the bar for being an elite pitcher is striking someone out or inducing a DP.

The bottom line is that Burnes was acquired to shut down great lineups and dominate in the postseason. Maybe he'll become that guy later, but right now if you take the name off the jersey, he looks like a top 30ish starter in MLB, not one of the very best.

I guess we'll see.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

What an annoying freaking night. From Newman, to Burnes/Adley combo giving away SB, to the brutal HP ump, to slide being a pest in these threads. Brutal.



Like Im not excusing the offense but you have to be in swing mode with the game this ump called. Then bottom of 7th Webb doesnt get the 3-2 pitch that is on the plate even though the guy was giving pitches 6 inches off all night. Just screwed over and OHearn gets a fine that Hyde shouldve been taking for him long before that spot.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Lol. You’re a quirky every once in a blue, Mack. This is a weird one to… I don’t want to say, bother you, but you’ve mentioned it a couple times now. But I think I get what you’re saying. Just kind of funny.

Its weak sauce to lose it on a 2 game series. Especially if it goes to this no nothing bitch ass franchise and their weak fans. Just like the Commies ending the preseason streak and that being their SB this would be their WS. Theyll brag about that crap like its something. Meanwhile they will be 20 games under by Sept.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

If MLB doesnt at least implement the challenge system next year its a huge fail. These umps are atrocious.

[BobPhelan]

I don't think they're counting 2 game series in the "streak."

Definitely counts.

[jamesdean]

That was an ugly one.  The Orioles have a lot of hitters in the line-up that have been slumping for a while now with tanking batting averages.  Too many Pete Alonso's right now and not enough that can work counts and draw walks.  Granted, with the ever-floating strike zone and incompetence of home plate umpires, it does make it challenging to know what exactly a strike is and isn't.  But this hacking away with seemingly little to no plan is getting old.  It's like they all have incentive bonuses in their contracts to get games over with as fast as possible. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

The Burnes shade is funny. If you prorate his stats so far over 30-33 starts he is absolutely in the Cy mix. Probably the winner. 190 innings, 190 Ks, 2.80 ERA. Its picking nits to the extreme. If you thought you were getting '21 Burnes thats on you and your unrealistic expectations. You obviously didnt see the small declines in '22 and '23 years and account for it. But again, throwing shade at a guy who prorated could easily win the CY is stupid. Consider the source though

[Ravens2006]

Robo umps please.

https://www.audacy.c...rike-zone-boxes

Interesting take on the zone box we see on TV... also to my eyes it looks like the dot tends to get placed where the catcher gloves the ball, but the zone is where it crosses the front plane of the plate. There can be a significant difference in reality.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Any of the KZones are going to be, or at least should be, very accurate on the horizontal zone. This asshat last night was missing pitches on and off the plate with consistency. BTW really tough job. That velo and break and we are talking about inches. Its on MLB to do the right thing. Even if you think the vertical technology isnt there yet you should be letting technology call the balls horitzontally.

[jamesdean]

https://www.audacy.c...rike-zone-boxes
Interesting take on the zone box we see on TV... also to my eyes it looks like the dot tends to get placed where the catcher gloves the ball, but the zone is where it crosses the front plane of the plate. There can be a significant difference in reality.

Even with the potential kinks, at least it would be the same zone every game. Not this floating, individual interpretation of what a strike is. That's what pisses me off- its supposed to be called the same way, regardless of who's behind the plate and these guys take it upon themselves to deliberately be different. I'll never forgot the night Earl Weaver lost it with Jim Palmer pitching and the home plate umpire was all over the place with the strike zone. Earl goes to the mound and waits for the umpire to tell him to get back in the dugout. They asked Palmer what Earl said to the ump and he said, "Earl pointed at me, turns to the umpire and goes, 'this man has won three Cy Young awards. Tell him where to throw it for a strike and that's what he'll do!'" Earl was promptly thrown out of the game. (LOL)

[Slidemaster]

The Burnes shade is funny. If you prorate his stats so far over 30-33 starts he is absolutely in the Cy mix. Probably the winner. 190 innings, 190 Ks, 2.80 ERA. Its picking nits to the extreme. If you thought you were getting '21 Burnes thats on you and your unrealistic expectations. You obviously didnt see the small declines in '22 and '23 years and account for it. But again, throwing shade at a guy who prorated could easily win the CY is stupid. Consider the source though

Are we assuming that the other 15 starters ahead of him in WAR are going to self-destruct?

[makoman]

Burnes was a reliever in 2018, bad in 2019, got good in 2020. 

 

From 2020-23 he had a 2.86 ERA, 6.4 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.5 BB/9, 11.1 K/9. 

 

This year he has a 2.83 ERA, 6.4 H/9, 1.1 HR/9, 2.3 BB/9, 8.9 K/9. 

 

He has done literally exactly what should have been expected, except Ks are down, though still 1 per inning. I guess HR are a little up. I imagine that's the entire hit to his WAR, if you can call it a hit. He has a .575 OPS against, better than 2022 or 2023. I don't know what you want.

 

Yeah, when you are the gloomiest and doomiest sky-is-fallingest poster around complaining that the guy is only top 15 in the league instead of top 5 is just going to induce eye rolling. Comparing WAR less than 25% into the season is silly anyway IMO.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Are we assuming that the other 15 starters ahead of him in WAR are going to self-destruct?

Rofl. Not even worth a response

[BSLChrisStoner]

Again, this take not reflected by reality.  He was at 26.3% coming into today, which placed him 15th out of the 32 guys who've caught at least 140 games (looking for guys who play close to half the games or more, and not just backups who play once a week).  That group as a whole catches 24% of runners. 0 for 4 tonight will drop him to 21.7%, which falls to 20th of 32 (only updating Adley's numbers, don't know how the rest of the group fared tonight).

 

Its about as good of a take as saying Gunnar can't hit for shit because he's 0-for-4 tonight (and on about a 10-day cold streak).

He's got arm strength. 

He's often inaccurate, and his pop time is currently below average.

 

I don't know how the pitching staff grades out in-terms of holding runners...  if they're below average, he get's additional credit there... if they're above average, maybe that helps with his %. 

 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Burnes was a reliever in 2018, bad in 2019, got good in 2020.

From 2020-23 he had a 2.86 ERA, 6.4 H/9, 0.8 HR/9, 2.5 BB/9, 11.1 K/9.

This year he has a 2.83 ERA, 6.4 H/9, 1.1 HR/9, 2.3 BB/9, 8.9 K/9.

He has done literally exactly what should have been expected, except Ks are down, though still 1 per inning. I guess HR are a little up. I imagine that's the entire hit to his WAR, if you can call it a hit. He has a .575 OPS against, better than 2022 or 2023. I don't know what you want.

Yeah, when you are the gloomiest and doomiest sky-is-fallingest poster around complaining that the guy is only top 15 in the league instead of top 5 is just going to induce eye rolling. Comparing WAR less than 25% into the season is silly anyway IMO.

Its as if one guy has a track record of doing it. Again, prorate his current numbers over the course of a season and hes in the CY mix. What are we even complaining about here. Even if he finishes the season as only a top 10 AL pitcher or a "#2" again what are we even complaining about. The entitlement is nauseating.

[Slidemaster]

Again, y'all act like I'm calling him trash.

He's a good pitcher. He just hasn't been dominant.

[ivanbalt]

Even if Burnes threw a 1 run complete game, it didn't matter because the Orioles scored 0 runs.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

He's got arm strength.

He's often inaccurate, and his pop time is currently below average.

I don't know how the pitching staff grades out in-terms of holding runners... if they're below average, he get's additional credit there... if they're above average, maybe that helps with his %.

There are def some guys on the staff who dont hold well. Burnes being one of them. I dont think teams particularly respect Adleys arm but I dont know enough to know how he rates compared to the rest of the league. I'll say this, you remember how much emphasis Buck put on TTTP and holding runners. A lot of people bitched. You are seeing signs why it was important to him. It would also be a good time to give Wieters and his arm props. I know some rule changes have helped the running game in general but Matt had the s**t locked down and it was a bigger part of our success in those years than any casual fan understands

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Again, y'all act like I'm calling him trash.

He's a good pitcher. He just hasn't been dominant.

This is a cop out. Again, the entitlement is insane.

Cant wait to hear what comes out of your mouth when we lose 4 in a row.