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[TwentyThirtyFive]

Which leads me to believe he's due for a Bad Kremer Day.

Even if he is there is no reason to think this Reds lineup will do anything

[You Play to Win the Game]

It's okay to admit when you're too drunk to know which thread you're posting in. I actually respect it.

That’s love. Thanks man.

[You Play to Win the Game]

Even if he is there is no reason to think this Reds lineup will do anything

They're a different lineup without McClain.

[Mike B]

Tonight was a nice reminder of just how damn good a healthy John Means can be.

Magnificent performance. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

They're a different lineup without McClain.

For sure. Feel like they had 1 or 2 other good bats last year too. Not Votto. But I aint trying to poke the bear until tomorrow is over. Get the sweep

[mdrunning]

It sure was nice to see Means pound the strike zone and have the opposing teams' at-bats last about as long as the Kentucky Derby.

 

I didn't have a problem with Hyde bringing Kimbrel in to start the ninth; it's what you got him for. The only way to know if he can cover back-to-back days is, well, to run him out there on back-to-back days. If he can't, then he's an asset only part of the time and a liability the rest. And it's not like you can make him into a long man or a set-up guy. Closers typically do not respond well to those types of transitions. 

 

I was glad, however, to see Hyde keeping him on a short leash and turning to Cano once a groundball was the order of the day. It ultimately wasn't needed, but Cano is far more likely to induce one than is Kimbrel.

[mdrunning]

Even if he is there is no reason to think this Reds lineup will do anything

How in the hell has Cincinnati managed to play close to .500 baseball for even this long? It seemed like every guy who came up had a batting average hovering at or below the Mendoza line. I don't think they could collectively ever catch Pete Rose.

[NewMarketSean]

Their pitching is good.

[jamesdean]

The Orioles are due for a break out, 10 run game.

[NewMarketSean]

What a start by Means. That was very encouraging to see. Reds hitters were off balance all night.

[jamesdean]

What a start by Means. That was very encouraging to see. Reds hitters were off balance all night.

It was a clinic in pitching.  Almost old school and a pleasure to watch.  The guy just has to stay healthy. 

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Since Hyde managed so well last night today the O's probably can't use either Kimbrel (who cares) or Cano (that's a big loss).

 

I get the argument last night about not letting Perez go out in the 8th worried they had too many RHers coming up. But dammit we continue to use one more reliever than I think we should have to every dang game. Perez looked good last night. You have Kimbrel coming back after being a bit hurt but by God its a close situation so the book says you have to go to your closer two nights in a row. 

 

Hyde do you actually watch your players or do you just open up your book of metrics (rules) and go by that?

[mdrunning]

Since Hyde managed so well last night today the O's probably can't use either Kimbrel (who cares) or Cano (that's a big loss).

 

I get the argument last night about not letting Perez go out in the 8th worried they had too many RHers coming up. But dammit we continue to use one more reliever than I think we should have to every dang game. Perez looked good last night. You have Kimbrel coming back after being a bit hurt but by God its a close situation so the book says you have to go to your closer two nights in a row. 

 

Hyde do you actually watch your players or do you just open up your book of metrics (rules) and go by that?

How is Hyde supposed to know if Kimbrel can or can't pitch back-to-back days if he doesn't put him out there? Myself, I don't see how anyone can be a closer in the majors if he can't pitch on back-to-back nights.

 

Kimbrel may have told Hyde he was fine, but Hyde obviously had his doubts, which was why he had Cano warming up. I don't think Hyde had any misgivings about pulling Kimbrel when a save chance was still on the table, which is something I don't remember him doing very often. He could very easily have put all of his eggs in the Kimbrel basket for the ninth, but he didn't. Fortunately, Perez was able to handle the eighth inning which left Cano available for the ninth if necessary. Hyde knew this and acted accordingly.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

How is Hyde supposed to know if Kimbrel can or can't pitch back-to-back days if he doesn't put him out there? Myself, I don't see how anyone can be a closer in the majors if he can't pitch on back-to-back nights.

 

Kimbrel may have told Hyde he was fine, but Hyde obviously had his doubts, which was why he had Cano warming up. I don't think Hyde had any misgivings about pulling Kimbrel when a save chance was still on the table, which is something I don't remember him doing very often. He could very easily have put all of his eggs in the Kimbrel basket for the ninth, but he didn't. Fortunately, Perez was able to handle the eighth inning which left Cano available for the ninth if necessary. Hyde knew this and acted accordingly.

Because it was his first two games back from being not right. He wasn't ready for back to back save nights. Should have just used him every other for a few games to ensure he was right.

[JoyinMudville]

I'd guess the discussion is more "are we going to Kimbrel tonight in a save situation".  Yes, that's a discussion above Hyde.

Why do people keep suggesting that Elias is somehow making these kinds of the decisions?

 

Is there any actual evidence of this?

[JoyinMudville]

How is Hyde supposed to know if Kimbrel can or can't pitch back-to-back days if he doesn't put him out there? Myself, I don't see how anyone can be a closer in the majors if he can't pitch on back-to-back nights.

 

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[Mackus]

How is Hyde supposed to know if Kimbrel can or can't pitch back-to-back days if he doesn't put him out there? Myself, I don't see how anyone can be a closer in the majors if he can't pitch on back-to-back nights.

I wouldn't have used a 1-run or 2-run lead to find that out. Use someone else just like we did against the Yankees.

This isn't gonna be his status all year, but coming off am injury where overuse is feared and the result being shaky performance that isn't caught in the warmup, it's have been very prudent to use caution than recklessness. It was an obvious mistake that we all raised concern for ahead of time. Wait until the 2nd of the back-to-back isn't a save situation to find out if he can do it. Because we got a bad result yesterday, we still don't know if he can.