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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 02:25 PM

Just playing around with what exists internally, and thinking about something like this: 

 

Mullins CF
Rutschman C
Santander DH
Mountcastle 1st
Hays RF
Henderson 3rd
Westburg 2nd
Cowser LF
Ortiz SS

 

Bench: Urias, McCann, McKenna, Mateo

 

Rotation: Gibson, Kremer, Bradish, Wells, Irvin

 

Bullpen: Bautista, Cano, Baker, Baumann, Coulombe, Rodriguez, Hall, Zimmermann 

 

 

 

- Frazier, O'Hearn, Hicks, Perez, Voth, Akin, Vavra are on the current roster.

- I added Westburg, Cowser, Ortiz, Irvin, Rodriguez, and Hall... with Cedric shown back from the IL. 

- Means and Tate could still factor.

- Maybe you want to improve on Mountcastle?

- Maybe you want to improve on Zimmermann's bp spot, with another high leverage relief option?
- Maybe you don't want to utilize Rodriguez as a reliever this year, believing he might still be needed in the '23 rotation at some point?

- Maybe you still want a front end starter?

- Maybe you are uncomfortable trying to contend with 4 rookies in the everyday lineup?
- Maybe you want to replace Mateo's bench spot with some added pop?
 

 

Good enough to get where you want to go this year?


Would you prefer to see some combination of Cowser, Westburg, Hall, Stowers, Kjerstad, Ortiz, Norby, Mayo, Beavers utilized to find a front-end starter, or an impact bat?



#2 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 02:33 PM

At this point with the start they are off to and assuming no more big injuries and Ced returns I think they are 85+ wins if not a single external move is made. Not even a waiver claim. If you only could call up guys.  Still, I think its pretty obvious there is a glut and they will be moving guys at the deadline and in the offseason. In a lot of ways the offseason is more intriguing because its then that some big league pieces could be moved. I dont anticipate that in season in '23. Offseason could see any number of guys who are on the ML roster moved.  



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Posted 03 June 2023 - 09:10 PM

Good enough to get where you want to go this year?

 

It could be, but I don't think it's the best the Orioles could do.

 

You can have more Talent and do worse.  You can have less Talent and still win it all.  The question is should we expect the Organization to do their job to create the opportunity they can.  Then it's just between the lines.  Until they do something other than the minimum, that's the question everyone asks.

 

Just because you're doing the minimum doesn't mean you can't be successful...so if internal is all they do (plus fringe whatever), whatever, find a way.  It's certainly generically harder.

 

If you run the season 1000s of times, no it's not good enough because I could do better on average with something other than 'internal only', but we're only going to run it once so we'll see what happens. 



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Posted 03 June 2023 - 09:20 PM

Westburg 2nd

 

I was going to make this comment in your 7-7 article, but the fact that they aren't playing Westburg significantly at 2B seems to be a tell.  I mean, maybe they are going to trade Gunnar and Westburg gets 3B, but he seems stuck in the wrong alignment right now which tells me they want to protect his value for trade.  They don't seem to want to leverage him on the ML roster but he has zero value as versatile depth.

 

Ortiz SS

 

Likewise, said this a number of times, but I don't know why this is better.  Most guys have growing pains and Holliday looks to be the future.  Again, we were going to use Holliday to do something big (trade) then send Mateo to LAD and play Ortiz at SS every day and you have my vote for this..

 

This whole 'internal only' just forces different decisions that don't really move the needle. Not max now, not max later, you just waste people in roles there they provide less value. (Urias, Mateo, the guys you lose like Frazier)



#5 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 09:24 PM

Tldr


Its not just me man. I bet the % of people who read a full dude post is less than 30%. Juat stick to your fantasy land trade thread you started. Dream those up everyday and we will all be better with your focus there. You may even get a respomse once in a blue moon.

#6 dude

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 09:38 PM

Tldr

Its not just me man. I bet the % of people who read a full dude post is less than 30%. Juat stick to your fantasy land trade thread you started. Dream those up everyday and we will all be better with your focus there. You may even get a respomse once in a blue moon.

 

Why not just discuss the topic.  It's an Orioles message board.



#7 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 09:41 PM

I dont know what you said. However I was the first to post in the thread besides the OP

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Posted 03 June 2023 - 10:28 PM

Rotation: Gibson, Kremer, Bradish, Wells, Irvin

 

Bullpen: Bautista, Cano, Baker, Baumann, Coulombe, Rodriguez, Hall, Zimmermann 

 

I wouldn't really mess with GRod and Hall in the bullpen.  Leave them as starters in AAA to get their work in, GRod should be free of restrictions next year.  He's basically taking Gibson's spot next year.  He can be the #6 starter for this season if someone goes IL.

 

I think the rotation is what it is for now.  Irvin needs to be back in and do something or you start looking for a replacement in July.

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Top 4 have been good this year despite a rough start.  Getting some better Statcast with better track records feels like the reasonable thing to do, but Aaron Nola has a 4.70 ERA.  Giolito is over 4.00.  Lance Lynn is at 6.55.  People like Cease but he's at 4.88.  Clevinger just got back from injury and is over 4.00.  Bieber just got blistered by the Orioles and is 3.75.  Burnes is in the same range.  Woodruff made 2 starts and is on the 60-day IL with a back muscle.  Ohtani isn't coming here but he gave up 6 runs the other night.  I don't think Grienke (over 4.00) wants to move (end in KC).  Not sure ERod is on the block.

 

At some point you need a name that's performing better than the guys we have and is available.  Seems like a pretty thin set.  Hopefully our guys don't fall off a cliff where some of these options look better.  We'll see.



#9 bmore_ken

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Posted 04 June 2023 - 08:24 AM

Tldr


Its not just me man. I bet the % of people who read a full dude post is less than 30%. Juat stick to your fantasy land trade thread you started. Dream those up everyday and we will all be better with your focus there. You may even get a respomse once in a blue moon.

Unlike you and your nasty attitude, at least dude posts things that are at least interesting. 



#10 BSLSteveBirrer

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Posted 04 June 2023 - 09:26 AM

Can they compete and make the playoffs with just an internal set up? Maybe.

 

But the point is there is absolutely zero reason they should nor need to.


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#11 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 04 June 2023 - 11:59 AM


Unlike you and your nasty attitude, at least dude posts things that are at least interesting.

Rofl. No they arent

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Posted 05 June 2023 - 07:36 AM

This may be a quasi hot take but to me, the only reason for leaving Westburg at Norfolk is so that he doesn't come to the show and struggle for 40-50 ABs and potentially diminish his perceived value. I think that Westburg is going to be the centerpiece of a big trade in the next month or so and by leaving him at AAA with an OPS north of 1.000, his value remains sky high.


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Posted 05 June 2023 - 07:55 AM

This may be a quasi hot take but to me, the only reason for leaving Westburg at Norfolk is so that he doesn't come to the show and struggle for 40-50 ABs and potentially diminish his perceived value. I think that Westburg is going to be the centerpiece of a big trade in the next month or so and by leaving him at AAA with an OPS north of 1.000, his value remains sky high.

I would be disappointed if they trade him.  Especially without seeing what his impact would have been up here in Baltimore.  Still, at some point, you will have to unload some of your prospects in trades if you want some marquee players. 



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Posted 05 June 2023 - 08:02 AM

This may be a quasi hot take but to me, the only reason for leaving Westburg at Norfolk is so that he doesn't come to the show and struggle for 40-50 ABs and potentially diminish his perceived value. I think that Westburg is going to be the centerpiece of a big trade in the next month or so and by leaving him at AAA with an OPS north of 1.000, his value remains sky high.

Could play a small part bit I think teams know what he is or expect him to be. A hot 3 week start in the show isnt gonna make him more valuable if the reverse were to happen.


I think its a combo of things. One, they could make enough room but there really isnt much room for him. At least not on the strog side of a platoon. Two, I debated with people in ST and there hasnt been a clear answer yet but I dont think they love his defense anywhere. Im sure he could be serviceable anywhere but no more. It was also hearing the OTV guys wonder a bit how the bat will actually play in the big leagues. They cited an expectation of him to have a pretty big swing and miss profile in the bigs.




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