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Posted 01 May 2023 - 04:41 PM
Pierce is back. And Broderick Washington looked pretty good replacing Pierce.
Yeah, like both. Pierce particularly if he can stay on the field. Still feels not great to me, but that's life with the salary cap. If the young guys take another step, could be solid enough.
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Posted 01 May 2023 - 08:13 PM
Yeah, like both. Pierce particularly if he can stay on the field. Still feels not great to me, but that's life with the salary cap. If the young guys take another step, could be solid enough.
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Posted 01 May 2023 - 08:24 PM
I'm not crazy over the depth. But it's still a strength. Madibuike, Pierce and Washington, with Jones and Urban rotating in is pretty good. Campbell coming back would have helped a lot.
Looking at the defense, I personally feel like Macdonald should seriously consider moving to a 4 man front. A base 4-3 with Oweh and Ojabo as your rush ends, and rotating Pierce, Madibuike, Washington and Jones at DT. Smith is your MLB, with Queen on the weak side and Bowser on the strong side.
It could be my old man eyes deceiving me, but it really looked like the Ravens played single-gap (aka a 4-3) defensive front most of the time.
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Posted 01 May 2023 - 08:27 PM
It could be my old man eyes deceiving me, but it really looked like the Ravens played single-gap (aka a 4-3) defensive front most of the time.
I saw a blurb the other day when looking up the Simpson pick that said something like "Simpson should fit well in MacDonalds 4-3 scheme". SO whoever was writing the blurb or analyzing the pick thinks MacDonald runs a 4-3. At least the majority of the time.
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Posted 01 May 2023 - 08:51 PM
I've been away all weekend. When I saw the Ravens drafted Flowers I figured the pick would be lauded, but the chances of that guy becoming elite are remote at best.
The pick, particularly based on need, was Baltimore's own CB Deonte Banks.
I'll show myself out. (o;
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Posted 01 May 2023 - 08:53 PM
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Posted 01 May 2023 - 09:02 PM
Banks has no better chance of becoming elite.
Disagree. Martindale jumped at the chance to move up once that run on wideouts happened.
Hell, if they were hell-bent on ignoring their glaring need and taking a WR, they should've traded up and grabbed the kid from Ohio State.
ETA - I don't want to go back and forth. I just think the Ravens whiffed on a big area of need...and given where Banks grew up, and the fact he went to Maryland? I just think they're going to wear that badge if he excels at the CB1 slot in NY.
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Posted 02 May 2023 - 05:59 AM
Disagree. Martindale jumped at the chance to move up once that run on wideouts happened.
Hell, if they were hell-bent on ignoring their glaring need and taking a WR, they should've traded up and grabbed the kid from Ohio State.
ETA - I don't want to go back and forth. I just think the Ravens whiffed on a big area of need...and given where Banks grew up, and the fact he went to Maryland? I just think they're going to wear that badge if he excels at the CB1 slot in NY.
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I think the fact that he wasn't much of a ballhawk and had only 2 interceptions at MD was a turnoff for them.
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Posted 02 May 2023 - 06:11 AM
Disagree. Martindale jumped at the chance to move up once that run on wideouts happened.
Hell, if they were hell-bent on ignoring their glaring need and taking a WR, they should've traded up and grabbed the kid from Ohio State.
ETA - I don't want to go back and forth. I just think the Ravens whiffed on a big area of need...and given where Banks grew up, and the fact he went to Maryland? I just think they're going to wear that badge if he excels at the CB1 slot in NY.
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The Giants were actively trying to trade up for Flowers but couldn't, according to reports. What does that mean? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't necessarily care much about need, in the first round especially. At this point there are still adequate CBs on the street, they need to go get somebody.
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Posted 02 May 2023 - 07:09 AM
I saw a blurb the other day when looking up the Simpson pick that said something like "Simpson should fit well in MacDonalds 4-3 scheme". SO whoever was writing the blurb or analyzing the pick thinks MacDonald runs a 4-3. At least the majority of the time.
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Posted 02 May 2023 - 08:33 AM
The Giants were actively trying to trade up for Flowers but couldn't, according to reports. What does that mean? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't necessarily care much about need, in the first round especially. At this point there are still adequate CBs on the street, they need to go get somebody.
From what I read, because they expected Banks to be gone. The run on receivers caused the opportunity to move up.
Time will tell of course, but I'm not sure of the wisdom in the retread CB market given the ridiculous depth of QB play in the AFC.
Hell, that's for the pick they needed most. If Baltimore wasn't concerned with the current man-child under center, they might've seen the wisdom in trading back a pick or just flat-out grabbing one of the edge rushers in Nolan Smith or Myles Murphy. You know, to add to a relentless assault on all those AFC offenses the Ravens will face next year.
History may prove me wrong, but a Zay Flowers type was do-able mid-draft. Josh Downs, Derius Davis, Jalin Hyatt, et al are all small-framed slot guys with elite speed who were taken a couple to three rounds later. For the price the Ravens paid, Flowers is going to need to be on the field a hell of a lot more than a slot guy. I don't see him holding up. Again, time will tell.
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Posted 03 May 2023 - 07:52 AM
All in all, the one word I'd use to describe this draft for the Ravens is solid. I think they address multiple needs without reaching, which is always such a tough task. I would've liked to see them go corner in R1, but with them not having a R2 pick, I totally get why they grabbed Zay.
My favorite pick is Trenton Simpson. They've been struggling at inside backer for awhile now, and even if Queen stays, they have virtually no depth consisting of players who've contributed significantly.
The biggest head-scratcher to me, for two reasons, was the Ravens taking Tavius Robinson. First, I feel like they have enough to sort out at edge rusher. I think Houston can still play, and would think the Ravens can find a way to bring him back. Tyus Bowser is solid, Oweh has to improve, and Ojabo has barely seen the field. I'm also a fan of Daelin Hayes as a reserve rusher. That's five guys right there who make this team better. Now, perhaps they don't think they can get a good enough deal with Houston done, or they think depth is more important. With 11.5 sacks in three seasons at Ole Miss, I have to think they see a sound investment when looking at Robinson, as they took him with their 2nd pick of the draft.
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Posted 03 May 2023 - 08:21 AM
Hayes was a 5th rounder with 4 snaps in 2 years, I think he is barely hanging on the roster right now and anything he provides is a bonus, no roster decision should be based on him.
I like Bowser a lot but he understandably wasn't the same last year. Hopefully he gets it all back this year but he may not. He's also cuttable next offseason in the last year of his deal.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Houston comes back, but you can't really plan on him for 2024.
Robinson seems like a bit of a project and the pick is more for 2024 and beyond, which is reasonable for a 4th rounder.
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Posted 03 May 2023 - 08:32 AM
All in all, the one word I'd use to describe this draft for the Ravens is solid. I think they address multiple needs without reaching, which is always such a tough task. I would've liked to see them go corner in R1, but with them not having a R2 pick, I totally get why they grabbed Zay.
My favorite pick is Trenton Simpson. They've been struggling at inside backer for awhile now, and even if Queen stays, they have virtually no depth consisting of players who've contributed significantly.
The biggest head-scratcher to me, for two reasons, was the Ravens taking Tavius Robinson. First, I feel like they have enough to sort out at edge rusher. I think Houston can still play, and would think the Ravens can find a way to bring him back. Tyus Bowser is solid, Oweh has to improve, and Ojabo has barely seen the field. I'm also a fan of Daelin Hayes as a reserve rusher. That's five guys right there who make this team better. Now, perhaps they don't think they can get a good enough deal with Houston done, or they think depth is more important. With 11.5 sacks in three seasons at Ole Miss, I have to think they see a sound investment when looking at Robinson, as they took him with their 2nd pick of the draft.
Solid is the perfect word for this draft. There really is not a pick that I do not like. As for Robinson, the answer to that is you never have enough pass rushers. He looks like the type of edge guy the Ravens have developed in the past.
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Posted 03 May 2023 - 04:31 PM
Can't really find much in alignment data for last season. PFF had Oweh charted on the DL on only 29 snaps last season though.
I feel like our front 7 is perfect for running the Eagles wide-9 front. Just make Ojabo and Oweh rush ends, let them pin their ears back.
PFF uses a really obscure acronym system for their alignment data, but as best I can tell they ran a two-gap scheme about 30-50% of the time under Wink, and probably closer to 15-25% of the time under MacDonald. I'm assuming that "NLT/NRT" means basically a 1-technique, and NT means a 0 technique. But there are probably a lot of variations to this. Wink ran a lot of stunts too which throws any inference of gap responsibilities based on alignment out the window.
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