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[BobPhelan]

ESPN still has him as an honorable mention in their updated prospect rankings, Scouting the Statline has him as the 9th best pitching prospect in baseball.

My favorite comp for him, Max Fried, had a 5.92 ERA in AA the year before making his ML debut.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

ESPN still has him as an honorable mention in their updated prospect rankings, Scouting the Statline has him as the 9th best pitching prospect in baseball.

My favorite comp for him, Max Fried, had a 5.92 ERA in AA the year before making his ML debut.

If your "system " still has him as one of the top 10 pitching prospects in baseball and you just blindly go with it. If you are a slave to that system that much then you lose so much credibility. The performance has to matter. The basic numbers have to matter. 

[BobPhelan]

If your "system " still has him as one of the top 10 pitching prospects in baseball and you just blindly go with it. If you are a slave to that system that much then you lose so much credibility. The performance has to matter. The basic numbers have to matter.

That’s not my system and I saw that ranking before his terrible performance. Think they use some version of FIP over ERA plus whatever else. Was just pointing out that plenty of people are still high on him. Like I said McDermott is probably passing him with his AAA success but he still has the stuff to be a 2-3 SP in the majors.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I know its not your system. I just think its laughable for someone to have him as a top 10 pitching prospect in all of baseball. I guess if youre strictly just putting out what your computer or system tells you with no added thought or commentary then thats fine. But Id give the readers a disclaimer.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Can see loving the arm...k's and hits per ip at Bowie were excellent and point to plus stuff.

But a 4.87 era over 18 AA starts certainly says something. Mainly that he isn't a finished product and wasn't ready to consistently overwhelm the Eastern League.

I have never seen him throw one pitch.

Cant pretend to have any strong feelings on who he is.

Have no idea if the Os were having him work on parts of his game and were less concerned by his results vs his development?

Having the requisite arm talent is a great starting point. Begin with the stuff.

If he can start to show some refinement and consistent results at AAA, I'll be more interested.

[Pedro Cerrano]

Trade him to Cleveland they’ll turn him into a stud

[BobPhelan]

AA/AAA

 

8-10, 5.04 ERA, 126.2 IP, 106 H, 66 BB, 171 K, 1.36 WHIP

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Ouch that's a pretty poor ERA for this level but gotta love those K's.