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[Mike B]

O’Neill needs to get PT and have a couple 900 OPS months so he opts out.

I have given up on that hope.  If he opts out he is more nuts than fragile.

More than likely he is ours for 3 years.

[Mike B]

Rare opportunity to sell at the deadline and not miss (much of) a beat. Mullins and O’Hearn and maybe some of our pitchers (Morton??) will be beauties at the ball. OF depth can cover for Mullins who has lost a step defensively. Bring up Basallo to replace ROH. Get healthy and also buy an arm with control for pitching.

Just curious, by buy an arm do you mean through trade or free agency?

[Mackus]

Can't get on board with the idea that selling doesn't mean we're packing it in for a wild card push in 2025. Be honest about what's happening. If we trade Eflin, Sugano, O'Hearn, Mullins, and Kittredge then we're not making or continuing a run.

I'm more than fine with selling assuming we don't so something insane over the next month. Just don't pretend selling means we're still trying to win now. We aren't.

[BobPhelan]

Can't get on board with the idea that selling doesn't mean we're packing it in for a wild card push in 2025. Be honest about what's happening. If we trade Eflin, Sugano, O'Hearn, Mullins, and Kittredge then we're not making or continuing a run.

I'm more than fine with selling assuming we don't so something insane over the next month. Just don't pretend selling means we're still trying to win now. We aren't.

I think you can trade Mullins, ROH, one of the FA SP, and one of the relievers and be totally fine. And I’m also saying go out and get an Alcantara or the like if it’s available on top of that.

- Trade Mullins and the OF is some combination of Cowser, Laureano, TON, Carlson, Beavers, Kjerstad, Fabian
- Trade ROH and bring up Basallo. Also gives Mayo some more breathing room to break into the lineup
- One/two of Eflin, Sugano, Morton is replaced by some combination of trade acquisition, Bradish, Rodriguez, Wells, Rogers, Young
- Trade one of Dominguez or Soto, keep Kittredge since he has a team option

[BobPhelan]

Just curious, by buy an arm do you mean through trade or free agency?

Trade at the deadline, FA and/or trade in the offseason.

[Mike B]

Trade at the deadline, FA and/or trade in the offseason.

Do you think we see a different approach from Elias.  Much of what he spent this off season will come off the books, but the pressure should be placed on him this off season.  Another swing and miss like this year and the bullseye is squarely on him.

[Mackus]

I just can't support the idea that Mullins, O'Hearn, Eflin and Kittredge aren't significantly better than the internal replacements we'd have in-house for them.

These aren't four 5-WAR guys that can't ever be replaced, but they are all solid starters (late-inning relief in Kittredge case) and some rookies aren't likely to slide in and give us 80% of their production. And we don't have any margin for error to make a playoff push.

You trade people and you're consciously saying goodbye to those chances. Can't reasonably have it both ways, IMO.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

I am not trading ROH unless we are out of it. Now of course the offer matters but I just don't want to trade our most consistent hitter.

[BobPhelan]

I just can't support the idea that Mullins, O'Hearn, Eflin and Kittredge aren't significantly better than the internal replacements we'd have in-house for them.

These aren't four 5-WAR guys that can't ever be replaced, but they are all solid starters (late-inning relief in Kittredge case) and some rookies aren't likely to slide in and give us 80% of their production. And we don't have any margin for error to make a playoff push.

You trade people and you're consciously saying goodbye to those chances. Can't reasonably have it both ways, IMO.

Maybe you keep ROH depending on how things go but I think you trade Mullins no matter what. And you wouldn’t be ok with trading one or two of the FA pitchers if it meant acquiring Sandy Alcantara who could help this year and the next two?

[Mackus]

Maybe you keep ROH depending on how things go but I think you trade Mullins no matter what. And you wouldn’t be ok with trading one or two of the FA pitchers if it meant acquiring Sandy Alcantara who could help this year and the next two?

 

I'm ok with trading everyone and I'm ok with acquiring Alcantara or other guys who aren't prospects.

 

But trading away all the pending FAs means we're packing it in. It's punting.  I'm good with that, the odds are long, the team stinks and unless we go on a huge run over the next 4 weeks that won't change.  But I don't wanna hear from Elias or anyone that those trades don't signal that the team isn't pushing for the postseason.  You've clearly picked a lane if you do that, just be honest about it.

[BobPhelan]

Guess I just disagree, I think you can buy and sell at the same time to help the long term health of the team and also give the team a chance to do the impossible (never been done before).

[TwentyThirtyFive]

A lot depends on where we are in a month. We can "buy and sell" without giving up all our pending FAs. Or we can sell off every last pending FA.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I dont think youre gonna get much of a return for Morton or Sugano for example. If you are a fringe contender you may just hold them the rest of the year. If you are def out of it you take your chances on whatever you can gwt in return



The bigger question for me is do they consider selling any players with team control

[BobPhelan]

I dont think youre gonna get much of a return for Morton or Sugano for example. If you are a fringe contender you may just hold them the rest of the year. If you are def out of it you take your chances on whatever you can gwt in return



The bigger question for me is do they consider selling any players with team control

I don’t think so except for maybe a Cano or Baker if they feel like they can get great value for a reliever.

[makoman]

I don’t think so except for maybe a Cano or Baker if they feel like they can get great value for a reliever.

Maybe someone will do a Soto like deal but Cano is rapidly killing his value. And Baker hasn’t been good for long enough for me to think he’d bring much. You never know though I guess.

[BSLChrisStoner]

I just can't support the idea that Mullins, O'Hearn, Eflin and Kittredge aren't significantly better than the internal replacements we'd have in-house for them.

These aren't four 5-WAR guys that can't ever be replaced, but they are all solid starters (late-inning relief in Kittredge case) and some rookies aren't likely to slide in and give us 80% of their production. And we don't have any margin for error to make a playoff push.

You trade people and you're consciously saying goodbye to those chances. Can't reasonably have it both ways, IMO.

If the existing roster continues to make up ground, becomes even harder to trade off and have a new group reset.

Think you nailed it with the no margin of error.

Have to let this next 5 weeks play out, and then we can better evaluate best directions imo.

[BaltBird 24]

Never been a huge Beavers. The numbers this year are nice, though. The swing I see from the highlights doesn't impress me much. Obviously not on the same tier of prospects, but sort of the same as when I first saw Wieters and didn't quite understand how he got hyped.

I hope he proves me wrong.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Beavers might be AAAA too but at least he brings more D and speed than Kjerstad. Got to give him a look. Heard he may struggle with high velo

[BobPhelan]

Never been a huge Beavers. The numbers this year are nice, though. The swing I see from the highlights doesn't impress me much. Obviously not on the same tier of prospects, but sort of the same as when I first saw Wieters and didn't quite understand how he got hyped.

I hope he proves me wrong.

I never have been either until this season. Something clicked after the first week and a half of the season and now I’m very high on him.

[BobPhelan]

Beavers might be AAAA too but at least he brings more D and speed than Kjerstad. Got to give him a look. Heard he may struggle with high velo

So does Basallo. And most guys as they’re coming up. They just don’t see it much in the minors.