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[Old Man]

I'd love love love to see a new ownership group gain control of both the Orioles and MASN. Managed right all around, and this becomes a "fairly big market" franchise regardless of what Baltimore City's population is.

you act like that would be an automatic occurrence to come in and manage right all the way around.

 

as bad as they are, Ive seen worse in my lifetime.

[makoman]

I don't know if it's true (legit info isn't easy to come by) but I know I've read that if Angelos sells then the Nats get their rights back and get to leave MASN. I'm sure MASN could still have value if done right, but losing the DC market would certainly hurt.

 

edit I just read a Washington Post article that said this rights reversion had been erroneously published before and would not automatically happen on O's sale so who knows.

[Ravens2006]

you act like that would be an automatic occurrence to come in and manage right all the way around.

as bad as they are, Ive seen worse in my lifetime.

Didn't say it would be automatic or guaranteed. But change would be a welcome new path to try. And given that they've posted one of if not the worst runs of losing in modern baseball history the last few seasons, I don't know how much worse anybody has really seen, at least as far as MLB goes.

[weird-O]

I don't know if it's true (legit info isn't easy to come by) but I know I've read that if Angelos sells then the Nats get their rights back and get to leave MASN. I'm sure MASN could still have value if done right, but losing the DC market would certainly hurt.

 

edit I just read a Washington Post article that said this rights reversion had been erroneously published before and would not automatically happen on O's sale so who knows.

My thinking is, if Angelos sells, MLB will intercede and work out a plan to relieve DC of their MASN chains. 

[weird-O]

I don't see MLB approving such a move. They're likely going to wait to see what Oakland and Tampa--two teams with uncertain futures in their current cities--ultimately decide whether or not to relocate. 

In my baseball dream world, The Orioles move to who cares where, and MLB allows the Rays to move into Baltimore. Boom, instant contender that now has a great venue and increased revenue. Imagine a world where the Rays impact pitching assembly line has the money to keep those arms and add any necessary offense.

[Pedro Cerrano]

If true, John ordering Elias to fire Brady was a godsend. And the fact that Georgia doesn't want this lawsuit doesn't quite sound like the hostile takeover that Louis is portraying. It sounds like Louis did his family duty and now wants out and wanted to get paid and John wants to own and to keep the team in Baltimore.

“This likely means X which means likely Y which means Z”

[Ravens2006]

I don't know if it's true (legit info isn't easy to come by) but I know I've read that if Angelos sells then the Nats get their rights back and get to leave MASN. I'm sure MASN could still have value if done right, but losing the DC market would certainly hurt.

 

edit I just read a Washington Post article that said this rights reversion had been erroneously published before and would not automatically happen on O's sale so who knows.

 

Maybe we don't know for sure, but my gut feeling is that in whatever details were in the original agreement(s) made with MLB that paved the way for the Expos move... it would seem unlikely that Angelos (who was likely more "with it" at the time) would not have seen that the VALUE of the network is likely much greater with basically two teams locked in versus just one.  So if he was thinking "maximize value" at the time, he probably would have fought hard against any out clause for the Nationals rights.

[Old Man]

Didn't say it would be automatic or guaranteed. But change would be a welcome new path to try. And given that they've posted one of if not the worst runs of losing in modern baseball history the last few seasons, I don't know how much worse anybody has really seen, at least as far as MLB goes.

Yes, Peter is on top, but he has plenty of other bad owners in his range.

https://calltothepen...st-owners-2022/

 

Worse owner in MLB,  here is a list of some pretty bad ones, and they left two off,

https://www.espn.com...-in-mlb-history

 

You have to consider Marge Schott has maybe the worst owner in MLB. She was extremely racial person. MLB even banned her from baseball.

 

Bob Short, was a very bad owner of the Senators back in the late 60s, low pocket guy trying to play with the big boys, and was a total baboon.

[makoman]

Baltimore had Bob Irsay. I think we know what terrible ownership looks like.

I don’t know how anyone could argue after the past 20ish years that the devil you know is better than the one you don’t. Current ownership is certainly near the bottom of the league. It could be worse sure, but odds are it could be better. Especially if the allegations in this lawsuit are remotely true.

[jamesdean]

In my baseball dream world, The Orioles move to who cares where, and MLB allows the Rays to move into Baltimore. Boom, instant contender that now has a great venue and increased revenue. Imagine a world where the Rays impact pitching assembly line has the money to keep those arms and add any necessary offense.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Let them move. Good riddance.

[Mike B]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Let them move. Good riddance.

Be careful what you wish for!  MLB and Manfred are in bed with the Nationals.and if the Orioles moved, I think it could be the end of MLB in Baltimore.

The idea that Tampa would move here feels like a fan's fantasy to me.

[weird-O]

Be careful what you wish for!  MLB and Manfred are in bed with the Nationals.and if the Orioles moved, I think it could be the end of MLB in Baltimore.

The idea that Tampa would move here feels like a fan's fantasy to me.

The alternative is another 30 years of the Angelos family. I'll take my chances. What good does it do any of us to have an imitation MLB team in Baltimore? 

[jamesdean]

The alternative is another 30 years of the Angelos family. I'll take my chances. What good does it do any of us to have an imitation MLB team in Baltimore? 

Exactly.

[BSLChrisStoner]

The Orioles aren't moving. 0.0% chance despite the Angelos Family drama. 

[TwentyThirtyFive]

There is obviously a non zero chance they move

[Mike B]

The alternative is another 30 years of the Angelos family. I'll take my chances. What good does it do any of us to have an imitation MLB team in Baltimore? 

Agree to disagree then.  I don't like the chances of getting another team.

 

FWIW, they are not going anywhere.   That is the good news, the bad news is for the short term, they will be owned by the Angelos family.

[Mike B]

There is obviously a non zero chance they move

IMO, it is very low chance they move

[BSLMikeLowe]

Yes, Peter is on top, but he has plenty of other bad owners in his range.

https://calltothepen...st-owners-2022/

 

Worse owner in MLB,  here is a list of some pretty bad ones, and they left two off,

https://www.espn.com...-in-mlb-history

 

You have to consider Marge Schott has maybe the worst owner in MLB. She was extremely racial person. MLB even banned her from baseball.

 

Bob Short, was a very bad owner of the Senators back in the late 60s, low pocket guy trying to play with the big boys, and was a total baboon.

Schott was an awful human being. And yet she still had something Pete never will; a World Series.

[Slidemaster]

I'm shocked - SHOCKED - that they haven't really been that interested in adding payroll, or winning.

This will continue indefinitely until they are out of the Angelo's family.

[weird-O]

Agree to disagree then.  I don't like the chances of getting another team.

 

FWIW, they are not going anywhere.   That is the good news, the bad news is for the short term, they will be owned by the Angelos family.

I don't think they're going anywhere either. But a fella can dream, can't he?