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[bmore_ken]

They got Lamar at 32

Just being a wise ass

That's because none of the other teams wanted him. Maybe they knew something the Ravens didn't. All jokes aside Richardson is the only one likely to fall down to 22 or close enough for a trade to get him, but I don't see that happening. And that's only if the Colts don't take him since I think the other three are going one , two , three. And he's a bust waiting to happen imo.

[Bmore Irish]

There's always smoke about late risers this time every draft season. Hooker seems like one of those guys. He's already 25 and less than 6 months removed from a torn ACL. Not to mention questions about the offense he ran at Tennessee. Really would prefer not to see him or any of the other guys like McKee for the Ravens in the 1st round.

 

On the flip side, Levis is being talked about now as the guy falling down draft boards. I'll believe he makes it to 22 when I see it. Too many teams before that who either currently need a franchise QB, or will very soon. Wouldn't really love it even then, but I get it.

[bmore_ken]

I guess it's possible but I don't see how Levis gets past the Colts at 4.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

I guess it's possible but I don't see how Levis gets past the Colts at 4.

Levis does seem to be dropping a bit as of now. Thats the buzz. Who knows if thats legit or not.

[jamesdean]

That's because none of the other teams wanted him. Maybe they knew something the Ravens didn't. All jokes aside Richardson is the only one likely to fall down to 22 or close enough for a trade to get him, but I don't see that happening. And that's only if the Colts don't take him since I think the other three are going one , two , three. And he's a bust waiting to happen imo.

I would be shocked if Richardson falls to 22 but I guess stranger things have happened.  Because of his immense athleticism, he'll seduce some team in the Top 10.  If he was sitting there at 22 and EDC doesn't trade down before hand, I would think the Ravens would grab him.  His bust potential is high but he also has the natural ability to develop into the next Cam Newton. 

[Bmore Irish]

I guess it's possible but I don't see how Levis gets past the Colts at 4.

 

He gets past 4 if they take Richardson instead, assuming he's available. And that wouldn't surprise me at all considering who the Colts head coach is.

Levis does seem to be dropping a bit as of now. Thats the buzz. Who knows if thats legit or not.

I don't think it's legit to the point he makes it to 22. Maybe he drops a bit, but a team like Tennessee would have to be thinking real hard about it if he even made it that far.

[JStruds]

Without a trade before or during draft, QB seems highly unlikely. Maybe they take a chance in later rounds, but CB and WR should still be highest priorities.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

He gets past 4 if they take Richardson instead, assuming he's available. And that wouldn't surprise me at all considering who the Colts head coach is.

I don't think it's legit to the point he makes it to 22. Maybe he drops a bit, but a team like Tennessee would have to be thinking real hard about it if he even made it that far.

Agreed. Just not a top 5 lock

[russsnyder]

I doubt he gets traded. That just transfers teh contract problem to another team and who's giving up draft capital to rent him for one year?

They trade for him and sign him to the extension. Not that far fetched IMO.

[Mackus]

They trade for him and sign him to the extension. Not that far fetched IMO.

He can't sign an extension after July 15th, with the Ravens or anyone. That's the scenario Ken's discussing.

[cprenegade]

Probably the only way they can trade Lamar on or before draft day is for someone to talk to Lamar and get a handshake deal agreed to, have Lamar sign the tag and then complete the deal.  Lamar isn't signing the tag and losing his ability to hold out unless he has assurances from another team that they will give him a contract he agrees to.  

[bmore_ken]

I would be shocked if Richardson falls to 22 but I guess stranger things have happened.  Because of his immense athleticism, he'll seduce some team in the Top 10.  If he was sitting there at 22 and EDC doesn't trade down before hand, I would think the Ravens would grab him.  His bust potential is high but he also has the natural ability to develop into the next Cam Newton. 

I think it's next to impossible, but out of the four it would be him. He has 22 college starts under his belt. No way he's ready to be an NFL starting qb. Imo of course. 

[bmore_ken]

Levis does seem to be dropping a bit as of now. Thats the buzz. Who knows if thats legit or not.

I'm sure that's possible, but as I said in an earlier post. I don't trust anything said right now as far as the draft goes

[bmore_ken]

They trade for him and sign him to the extension. Not that far fetched IMO.

A team could offer him a contract now and none have done it. But a team is going to decide on draft day, they all of a sudden want him and willing to pay him what he wants? Good luck with that.

[bmore_ken]

He can't sign an extension after July 15th, with the Ravens or anyone. That's the scenario Ken's discussing.

Yep. I just don't think  some team is going to come out of the woodwork on draft day and say "hey we want Lamar after all.  Take our first rounder and a third and we're willing to give him the $50M a year he wants."  Anything can happen in professional sports, but the likelyhood of that imo is next to 0

[russsnyder]

He can't sign an extension after July 15th, with the Ravens or anyone. That's the scenario Ken's discussing.

Lamar could come to an agreement to sign the extension with the team he is traded to though. Isn't that what Russell Wilson did last year?

[russsnyder]

A team could offer him a contract now and none have done it. But a team is going to decide on draft day, they all of a sudden want him and willing to pay him what he wants? Good luck with that.

They could absolutely have a handshake deal and sign him to an extension after the trade. I think this scenario is more likely than Jackson signing an extension with the Ravens at this point. If he's not traded, I believe Jackson will hold out. I don't think he'll play under the tag.

[Mackus]

Lamar could come to an agreement to sign the extension with the team he is traded to though. Isn't that what Russell Wilson did last year?

 

Wilson did that, but he wasn't tagged, so different rules apply.  Since he was tagged, if Lamar doesn't sign an extension by July 17th this year (its usually July 15 but that's a Saturday this year so they extended it), then he must play on the tag (or hold out) and is forbidden from signing a long-term deal with anybody until the next year begins in March 2024.

[Mike in STL]

Wilson did that, but he wasn't tagged, so different rules apply.  Since he was tagged, if Lamar doesn't sign an extension by July 17th this year (its usually July 15 but that's a Saturday this year so they extended it), then he must play on the tag (or hold out) and is forbidden from signing a long-term deal with anybody until the next year begins in March 2024.

One caveat is I think after July 17th he can be offered more money than the tag price, but can still only play on the one year deal. So if he holds out on the $32Mish tender, they can negotiate how much it'll cost to get him off his ass this season. What that number is becomes a whole different story. 

 

If going by AAV, 1/$46M+ to be higher than Watson? 1/$46.1M+ to beat Murray. 1/$49M+ to beat Wilson. 1/$50.3+M to beat Rodgers and be #1. 

 

 

Personally, I think the difference in $32M and $0 is a lot bigger than $32M and $46M. So I just as soon pretend he's not even here and move on. Maybe he'll wake up and realize he could really use $32M right about now and he'll cave to your terms. Or you're moving on leaving him making $0 in the shadows. Every year, plenty of teams without Lamar Jackson make deep playoff runs. You don't need him. Teams don't want him. Focus on who is next, sooner. 

 

Plus that $32M in cap space you're holding onto can get rolled over to 2024 if it isn't used. 

[russsnyder]

One caveat is I think after July 17th he can be offered more money than the tag price, but can still only play on the one year deal. So if he holds out on the $32Mish tender, they can negotiate how much it'll cost to get him off his ass this season. What that number is becomes a whole different story.

If going by AAV, 1/$46M+ to be higher than Watson? 1/$46.1M+ to beat Murray. 1/$49M+ to beat Wilson. 1/$50.3+M to beat Rodgers and be #1.


Personally, I think the difference in $32M and $0 is a lot bigger than $32M and $46M. So I just as soon pretend he's not even here and move on. Maybe he'll wake up and realize he could really use $32M right about now and he'll cave to your terms. Or you're moving on leaving him making $0 in the shadows. Every year, plenty of teams without Lamar Jackson make deep playoff runs. You don't need him. Teams don't want him. Focus on who is next, sooner.

Plus that $32M in cap space you're holding onto can get rolled over to 2024 if it isn't used.

I agree withe the premise of your post.

Lamar has publicly stated that the Ravens don't recognize his value, and has not actively sought a deal with another team after being tagged. It's pretty apparent that he wants out.

The best approach in the short term is to proceed like he's no longer in your plans. I think all of this will be resolved by draft day or shortly thereafter.

I think people sometimes forget that their owner made his fortune by helping unhappy employees move onto better situations.He knows the psychology of unhappy employees and he does not want Lamar poisoning the well, just like he didn't want Hollywood doing the same last year.