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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 19 July 2021 - 02:35 PM

Sign Baez or K. Bryant 6 $180M

If Baez, someone like Franco at 3rd.  (+/- $2M)
If Bryant, someone like Galvis at SS. (+/- $2M)

Sign Stroman 5 $120M
Sign Hand 3 $40M
Sign A. Wood 2 $25M
Sign Bradley 2 $15M
Sign Rosenthal 1 $10M

 

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Catcher: Severino
1st: Mancini
2nd: Jones

SS: Baez or Galvis
3rd: Franco or Bryant
LF: Hays

CF: Mullins
RF: Santander
DH: Mountcastle

 

Bench: Wynns, Urias, Stewart, Valaika

Rotation: Stroman, Means, Wood

4/5: Zimmermann, Akin, Kremer, Bradish, Smith, Lowther, Baumann, Wells

Bullpen: Hand, Bradley, Harvey, Scott, Tate, Rosenthal, Fry

Other: Sulser, T. Wells, Lopez, Plutko, 4/5 starter options above

 

By June 1st: 

Rutschman takes over at C
Rodriguez & Hall join the rotation
What are Westburg, and Henderson doing at Bowie?


 

I'm thinking the total salary is somewhere around $145M +/- (haven't really looked at possible arb numbers).


That can be a .500 or better team. 

 

Do I think the Orioles are signing 6 FA's?  No...  but I do think it's time to go out and spend beyond signings on the fringe of the roster. 



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:00 PM

I don't know...Stroman went to Duke.

 

Would be a fun team.  SP would probably be the weakness, but if the rookies come up blazing and the FAs work out then maybe it's the team's strength.



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:06 PM

I don’t see cheap Angelos family dumping $145 million into a team that would sniff around .500. They’ll wait until all the young guys are close to FA and make one run before losing all of them to FA
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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:26 PM

No chance this team hands out a $80M contract next year much less a $120M contract. Not while Chris Davis is still on the books and is fresh in ownership's memory.


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:39 PM

I don't think "would the Angeloses do this?" is the part of this exercise that Chris wanted to explore.  Certainly I agree that they never would.

 

I think the team would be decent.  Not a team I'd expect to make the playoffs, but if things go right it could work out.  

 

 

I guess in terms of topics of discussion...Baez vs Bryant would be a big one.  Big time bat who may be destined for 1B versus sometimes good bat at a premium position.  Baez' perpetually low OBP would scare me more than Bryant's glove.


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:41 PM

OK, then it feels like the mid-00's when we were all hoping things would go right for the team to win 85 games.


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:42 PM

I like Correa... but I think he's seeking $300M and 10 years.   

Baez and Bryant are both going to get big money somewhere.... but could look like a comparable bargain overall, and give you an AS talent on that side of the field. 

 



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:47 PM

If Rodriguez and Hall are league average 4th and 5th guys June 1st on... and Adley upgrades C...  then I think Mackus has the correct adjective when he says it would be a 'fun' team. 

 



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:50 PM

I think if Elias would ever be willing to (and able) to all-in on a free agent, the guy he drafted would make sense to me. Maybe he's not sentimental about it at all but I'd assume he feels some amount of pride at how well Correa turned out. 



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:51 PM

OK, then it feels like the mid-00's when we were all hoping things would go right for the team to win 85 games.

 

This was also the plan in the mid-10s.  Things just did happen to go right a few times.



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 03:54 PM

I think if Elias would ever be willing to (and able) to all-in on a free agent, the guy he drafted would make sense to me. Maybe he's not sentimental about it at all but I'd assume he feels some amount of pride at how well Correa turned out. 

 

I had some similar thoughts previously...  but every quote from Correa right now is chasing Lindor's salary...   and that isn't happening. 

I'll differ from others in that I do think with the existing payroll flexibility the O's can spend more than others think they will...  (meaning I can see the contracts I suggested for Baez or Bryant as possible and plausible) but I don't feel the same about about Correa right now.



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 04:32 PM

Severino should be non tendered.

I never want to see him in an Oriole uniform after this season.


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 06:39 PM

I don't think "would the Angeloses do this?" is the part of this exercise that Chris wanted to explore.  Certainly I agree that they never would.

 

I think the team would be decent.  Not a team I'd expect to make the playoffs, but if things go right it could work out.  

 

 

I guess in terms of topics of discussion...Baez vs Bryant would be a big one.  Big time bat who may be destined for 1B versus sometimes good bat at a premium position.  Baez' perpetually low OBP would scare me more than Bryant's glove.

I think I would go Baez.  Mainly because of the position.  And I agree Chris, wanted to discuss Angelos or especially Chris Davis in the topic.


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 06:44 PM

Severino should be non tendered.

I never want to see him in an Oriolwle uniform after this season.

I actually think they will sign a cheaper veteran and go with a defensive platoon with the vet and Wynns.  Wynns can not hit but there is a noticeable difference defensively when he is behind the plate


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 06:45 PM

Sign Baez or K. Bryant 6 $180M

If Baez, someone like Franco at 3rd.  (+/- $2M)
If Bryant, someone like Galvis at SS. (+/- $2M)

Sign Stroman 5 $120M
Sign Hand 3 $40M
Sign A. Wood 2 $25M
Sign Bradley 2 $15M
Sign Rosenthal 1 $10M

 

OD

Catcher: Severino
1st: Mancini
2nd: Jones

SS: Baez or Galvis
3rd: Franco or Bryant
LF: Hays

CF: Mullins
RF: Santander
DH: Mountcastle

 

Bench: Wynns, Urias, Stewart, Valaika

Rotation: Stroman, Means, Wood

4/5: Zimmermann, Akin, Kremer, Bradish, Smith, Lowther, Baumann, Wells

Bullpen: Hand, Bradley, Harvey, Scott, Tate, Rosenthal, Fry

Other: Sulser, T. Wells, Lopez, Plutko, 4/5 starter options above

 

By June 1st: 

Rutschman takes over at C
Rodriguez & Hall join the rotation
What are Westburg, and Henderson doing at Bowie?


 

I'm thinking the total salary is somewhere around $145M +/- (haven't really looked at possible arb numbers).


That can be a .500 or better team. 

 

Do I think the Orioles are signing 6 FA's?  No...  but I do think it's time to go out and spend beyond signings on the fringe of the roster. 

How close does 2/25 get you to Verlander?   The 2022 Sutcliffe?


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 06:59 PM

How close does 2/25 get you to Verlander?   The 2022 Sutcliffe?


I would think it's something like 1 year $25M or 2 $40M. 

I do like the idea.



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Posted 19 July 2021 - 09:36 PM


I would think it's something like 1 year $25M or 2 $40M. 

I do like the idea.

I was thinking coming off the injury and being 39 by the time the season starts he may be a little cheaper.

 

I doubt whether he would have much interest coming here, but I think we need to add 2 legitimate major league starters, to help stabilize the young pitching.


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Posted 19 July 2021 - 11:05 PM

Given the one big caveat to the situation and the note that needs to be acknowledged regardless...

 

I'm still in on Night Moves V (or VI?, VII?)

 

The Corey Seager situation is interesting.  I'd have expected him to sign a big deal with the Dodgers after Lindor signed with the Mets and he started off hot but he faded some (under .800 OPS) before getting hurt.  He' had one set-back but is expected to be activated this week.

 

He's a Boras client and will seek Lindor money, but Lindor money doesn't look that good right now and given some other factors, if the Dodgers balk, he may need another situation for 2 years to build value....this was the idea back in 2018...him and Kyle have been separated by enough years it's likely they've never played on the same team.  You have to guarantee him some money, the years don't really matter because he'll need a year-2 opt out.   

 

At this point, it's a 2-year window and you see how your minors advance.

 

Put together a 7+ year deal for Adley and let him start the season with the Orioles.

 

CF Mullins

DH Mancini (extension)

SS CSeager (2-year and 3-year opt out)

1B Mountcastle

3B KSeager (2-year, team option)

RF Santander

C Rutschman (7-year)

LF Hays

2B Jones



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Posted 20 July 2021 - 09:59 AM

Here are the arb-eligible guys next year and some very preliminary estimates by me of what they're salary might be in 2022.

 

Trey Mancini (3/3) - $8M

John Means (1/3) - $4M

Anthony Santander (2/4) - $3.5M

Pedro Severino (2/3) - $2.75M

Paul Fry (1/3) - $1.5M

Tanner Scott (1/3) - $1.5M

Jorge Lopez (1/3) - $1.25M

Pat Valaika (2/3) - $1M

Adam Plutko (1/3) - $1M

 

I think Severino, Lopez, Valaika, and Plutko are al non-tendered unless they agree to deals lower than this. 



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Posted 20 July 2021 - 11:58 AM

I think they keep Lopez around but agree with the other three.




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