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Posted 27 February 2021 - 10:02 AM

Wondering if anyone on the board has read about or has any interest in the Kennedy assassination. If so, and if you haven't already, you have to read the James Douglass book, "JFK and The Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters". 

 

It goes beyond just the mechanics and who, what and how of what happened in Dealey Plaza on the fateful November day. It talks about JFK's turn from a Cold Warrior towards peace, towards rapprochement with Castro and Cuba and cooperation with Khrushchev and the Soviets. And how those actions pitted JFK at odds with the military and the national security state.


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 10:34 AM

I'll check it out. I've dug in quite a bit on this. Needless to say, the saying applies to our government just as it does to individuals "people show you who they are if you're paying attention." I can't wrap my head around people's willingness to accept stuff like this. Is it a hierarchy of needs thing? So long as your safe, comfortable and not hungry, you're good? Or they see not accepting this from our government as a threat to that security and comfort? I don't have that gene. It just drives me crazy that this is the world we live in and no one cares.
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 10:35 AM

While Eisenhower didn't overtly talk presidential assassination in his epic speech on the military industrial complex, he basically flat out predicted this. He told us everything we need to know.
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 12:02 PM

Ike's draft of the speech originally warned the nation about the "military-industrial-congressional complex"... but was persuaded to take out the congressional part...


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 12:03 PM


Ike's draft of the speech originally warned the nation about the "military-industrial-congressional complex"... but was persuaded to take out the congressional part...

I'm not following the significance of this, can you elaborate? (Excuse my ignorance)
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 12:46 PM

I'm not following the significance of this, can you elaborate? (Excuse my ignorance)

 

Ike was trying to warn us that Congress would feed the military-industrial complex... to get jobs in their districts for the missile plant we don't need (or whatever)...

 

Which is exactly what has happened.  Take any megabuck program that the Pentagon doesn't even want... the jobs to make whatever-it-is are spread across eleventy-seven districts... to MAX how many Congressmen will be motivated to vote to fund it... regardless of whether the Pentagon wants it or not... 

 

The corporate lobbyists make sure of that... which is yet another reason why term limits are a terrible idea... term limits would mean that the damn lobbyists are the only ones in DC who understand how things work... you need Congress people with tons of experience who also have a conscience... without them, nobody will know how to interfere with that crap... 


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 01:20 PM

Yeah, it's fascinating when you look at how strategically placed the various military bases and branches are throughout the country.
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Posted 27 February 2021 - 01:53 PM

Ike's draft of the speech originally warned the nation about the "military-industrial-congressional complex"... but was persuaded to take out the congressional part...

 

Ironically, Eisenhower had a pretty big hand in creating the very military industrial complex that he tried to warn us about. 


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 01:58 PM

I'm not following the significance of this, can you elaborate? (Excuse my ignorance)

 

Also, look at the impact that military contractors have on foreign policy. LBJ gave a huge contact to Brown and Root (with whom he had ties to in Texas) to dredge Cam Ranh Bay for use by the military. Even though this was completely unnecessary because Vietnam already had several natural harbors that would've worked fine.

 

It's quite simply like Deepthroat said in "All The President's Men"......."Follow the money."


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 02:17 PM

I'll check it out. I've dug in quite a bit on this. Needless to say, the saying applies to our government just as it does to individuals "people show you who they are if you're paying attention." I can't wrap my head around people's willingness to accept stuff like this. Is it a hierarchy of needs thing? So long as your safe, comfortable and not hungry, you're good? Or they see not accepting this from our government as a threat to that security and comfort? I don't have that gene. It just drives me crazy that this is the world we live in and no one cares.

 

If you want other great material on JFK, here are some others...."Crossfire, The Plot That Killed Kennedy" by Jim Marrs (which was used as the source material for Oliver Stone's "JFK"), "Bloody Treason" by Noel Twyman (this is difficult to find in print but you can get it on the Kindle; delves into a likely Zapruder film tampering in an attempt to obfuscate that the limo driver, Special Agent Greer, pulled the car to the right and to almost a complete stop right before the fatal shot), "Best Evidence" by David Lifton (this covers all of the medical evidence and uncovers obvious forgery of the evidence and autopsy photos and other outright lies). Another good one is "Hit List" by Richard Belzer, which covers all of the bizarre circumstances surrounding the many deaths of key witnesses and others that may have knowledge of the assassination. It also analyzes the statistical improbabilities of that many people from the same subset all dying suddenly of things like single vehicle accidents, sudden heart attacks and even a karate chop to the neck.

 

When you realize the true gravity of what happened on 11/22/63, the state of our country and the rest of the world comes into sharper focus.

 

Our president was murdered in broad daylight on the streets of a major American city and a "blue ribbon" commission came to the conclusion that a "disgruntled ex marine" with a cheap Manlicher Carcano rifle (which had a defective sight, even the WC acknowledged this and was nicknamed the "Humane Weapon" because soldiers said it never killed anyone), stood in a 6th floor window and through a Texas Live Oak tree, which was in full bloom, fired 3 shots in 5.7 seconds from a weapon that needed at least 2.3 seconds between shots to recycle the spent cartridge and load the new one, at a target moving away and scored 2 hits, with the 3rd shot being the most accurate. And Oswald was a terrible shot, as per his marine marksmen test, he passed a paraffin test for gun shot residue and no useable prints were found on the weapon. 

 

I could go on but the bottom line is that enough people swallowed that lie, so the lies have gotten bigger and more frequent. Then, they killed King, X, Fred Hampton, RFK, etc and killed the movement as a result. 


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Posted 02 March 2021 - 01:44 AM

Ironically, Eisenhower had a pretty big hand in creating the very military industrial complex that he tried to warn us about. 

 

Yes. 

 

But he also observed how things were developing and provided the nation with a very explicit warning about the dangers of it... which is about the most you could reasonably expect of somebody whose background was in the military and not in being a futurist, and who thus wasn't magically prescient enough to see it occurring before it did...


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  You have no faith to lose, and ya know it" - Bob Dylan





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