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2020 Season: AFC Divisional Round @ Buffalo Jan. 16th 8:15PM


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#781 TwentyThirtyFive

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Posted 16 January 2021 - 11:47 PM


I never want to hear ANYONE dog me for being negative after Pedro's meltdown tonight.

If you had posted most of the season the way you posted tonight you'd have no problems at all.
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Posted 16 January 2021 - 11:47 PM

Changing what exactly. This team has to be a run first team. They have to not give away games in the playoffs. Its that simple. If we take our 3 points to start the second half this is likely a game til the end. The Int was horrible and all on Lamar but the two plays before that set it all up. A dropped snap by Lamar where I think Dobbins was going to get the rock and score and then Dobbins not picking up the free rusher to give Lamar the split second to find Hollywood

 

I agree with you.  They do have to be run first.  But something changes come playoff time.  Last year, 12 points against Tennessee.  Last week 20 points in a win.  This week, only 3 points.  I think maybe the offense needs to be more diversified. I'm figuring most people will blame Jackson for the one bad pick, and yeah it was bad.  But still, this offense seems to roll very well, until it hits playoff time and gets punched in the mouth.  Then it seems to totally recoil and lose it's ability.  I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I've seen this two years in a row where everyone says this offense can't be stopped, until, oh snap, it is stopped, come playoff time.   



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Posted 16 January 2021 - 11:48 PM

Just checked box scores... vs SD two years ago they had 3 points with 7 minutes left. Last year vs TEN they only had 6 with 12 minutes left. And tonight they scored 3 the whole game.

That's becoming more than bad luck or coincidence in my opinion...

 

Again, my thinking as well.  The offense beats up on the terrible teams in the league and then lays an egg come playoff time.  I think it is a legitimate question to ask....why?



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Posted 16 January 2021 - 11:51 PM


I agree with you. They do have to be run first. But something changes come playoff time. Last year, 12 points against Tennessee. Last week 20 points in a win. This week, only 3 points. I think maybe the offense needs to be more diversified. I'm figuring most people will blame Jackson for the one bad pick, and yeah it was bad. But still, this offense seems to roll very well, until it hits playoff time and gets punched in the mouth. Then it seems to totally recoil and lose it's ability. I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I've seen this two years in a row where everyone says this offense can't be stopped, until, oh snap, it is stopped, come playoff time.

Things are going to get tighter in the playoffs. The '07 Pats didnt roll in those playoff games. How many times did a Peyton Manning offense get slowed in the playoffs compared to the reg season. Still have nightmares not giving up a TD to him and losing in '06. We have to execute better in the playoffs. We have to step up our play. Not change a bunch of stuff. Again, we've shrunk the last three years in the key moments of the games and ultimately gave them away. Thats incredibly disheartening.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 12:07 AM

Things are going to get tighter in the playoffs. The '07 Pats didnt roll in those playoff games. How many times did a Peyton Manning offense get slowed in the playoffs compared to the reg season. Still have nightmares not giving up a TD to him and losing in '06. We have to execute better in the playoffs. We have to step up our play. Not change a bunch of stuff. Again, we've shrunk the last three years in the key moments of the games and ultimately gave them away. Thats incredibly disheartening.

 

Well, than what you are saying is either one of two things.  1)  The guys on the Ravens have choked the last two years and either need to find away to change that or be gone... or   2)  The coaching staff needs to be held accountable.  

 

I'm not sure I agree.  I think the offense is too predictable come playoff time.  Jackson's int was about as terrible an int as I can think of a superstar QB making, but it happens.  It just seems to me that the offense that rolls through the regular season becomes remarkably stoppable come playoff time.  I don't know, I guess time will tell.  



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Posted 17 January 2021 - 12:16 AM

Oh they've undoubtedly choked. Plenty of blame to go around but I definitely put more on the players than coaches. I don't know what to do. We're discussing it in the other thread. The talent was there this year and I expect it will be good enough next year. Its a huge question mark if things will be any different in January

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 12:50 AM

Oh they've undoubtedly choked. Plenty of blame to go around but I definitely put more on the players than coaches. I don't know what to do. We're discussing it in the other thread. The talent was there this year and I expect it will be good enough next year. Its a huge question mark if things will be any different in January

 

 

This is Kurt Warner critiquing the Ravens passing game.  He took plays from the Tennessee game to critique them.  He puts much less blame on Lamar/the players than I would expect.  I saw this video this morning and it opened my eyes a bit to some coaching shortcomings.  The Ravens for years have had trouble developing receivers and I think that some of Lamar's difficulties stem from that.  Even on the interception last week, Warner basically said that the route put Lamar in an impossible situation.  And I thought that was a terrible throw and 100% on Lamar.



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Posted 17 January 2021 - 02:26 AM

Also, congrats to the Bills. Real good team. Good group too. I'll be pulling for them from here on out in the AFC.
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Posted 17 January 2021 - 02:54 AM

Well, that's the other thing.  Let's give a little bit of credit to the Bills.  The Bills defense made the plays when they had to.  Can't credit them for the two missed FGs that the wind affected, but when it came to crunch time with the Ravens driving for a tying TD, they made the big play.  They got the TO and turned it into a TD that pretty much sealed the game.  They also held Jackson to 34 yards rushing, and both Dobbins and Edwards to under 50 yards rushing.  And that was with a first drive that looked like the Ravens would run all over them all night.  It's easy to say the Ravens killed themselves, but the Bills defense did have something to do with that.  


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Posted 17 January 2021 - 06:36 AM

All star performance from Pedro tonight, most entertaining thing I watched. Also, huge dickhead.


Lol.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 07:12 AM

Also, congrats to the Bills. Real good team. Good group too. I'll be pulling for them from here on out in the AFC.

I will too but to me, it's a KC/Green Bay Super Bowl. 



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Posted 17 January 2021 - 07:26 AM

Recorded the game and was looking forward to watching a victory today.  Unfortunately, that's not going to happen and it will be deleted. Didn't watch any highlights from ESPN either.  It's sounds perfectly horrible just from going through the comments this morning. What can you say?  The Ravens continue to save their worst games for the post season, although I thought last week's win was going to change all of that mojo.  Certainly can't blame the defense that held an explosive Bills offense to just 10 points.  Can you imagine the reactions if someone would have told all of us that we'd hold that team to 10 points?  The futility of the offense is really hard for me to wrap my brain around when you average almost 30 points a game.  Especially considering that Buffalo is not a dominant defense.  You would have thought the 2000 Ravens were out there.  That said, I'll move on from it and look forward to next season.  It could be a lot worse, guys.  There's so many rotten teams in the NFL and it must be brutal to be fans of any of them.  At least with the Ravens, you have a legitimate shot at the post season every year.  I don't know how you solve the receiver problem other than signing a free agent or trading for one.  Drafting a receiver is just pointless with this organization so I wouldn't even go down that road again.  I thought the OL played great down the stretch, even without Stanley and Boyle.  So, they just need to add some depth through the draft and they'll be fine.  We have a really good team here in Baltimore and I'm happy to have them but it's disheartening to continually not show up in play-off games.  From what I gathered from the comments collectively is that they looked flat and completely out of it mentally.  That can't happen in the post season and if it's true, then that's on the Harbaugh and the coaching staff.  It's possible they were emotionally drained from the Tennessee game but you just have to find a way to play at that kind of level every single game in the play-offs.  No one is handing it to you.  In any rate, it's been a good month and a half until last night.  I'll root for the Bills to beat KC and then look forward to the draft.  



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Posted 17 January 2021 - 07:54 AM

Man that sucked.

Wind was obviously a much bigger factor than I thought it'd be and effected way more than just passing. I'll place blame for the loss in order as O-Line, wind, and Lamar's pick 6 that ended the game. Shame to waste a great defensive effort, but I guess our defense benefitted from the wind just as the Bills defense did.

Don't think this loss revealed any truths we didn't already know. Just work on fixing the flaws and get better next year. I'd focus on interior OL as priority #1. Have to find a center who can snap the ball. I'd be intent on replacing Skura and Mekari.

Overall a very disappointing year. Getting a playoff win was nice, but still died in the divisional round and went backwards in terms of performance. Lots of areas to improve.
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Posted 17 January 2021 - 08:03 AM

Again, my thinking as well. The offense beats up on the terrible teams in the league and then lays an egg come playoff time. I think it is a legitimate question to ask....why?

It's not just the terrible teams. They've put some big numbers up on good defenses in the regular season. Last year more than '18 or '20, but still showed they can do it.

Playoffs haven't been able to do it. Definitely something that needs figuring out.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 08:41 AM

Lamar does a good job avoiding INTs for the most part when he throws them man are they terrible throws.
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Posted 17 January 2021 - 08:47 AM

It's not just the terrible teams. They've put some big numbers up on good defenses in the regular season. Last year more than '18 or '20, but still showed they can do it.

Playoffs haven't been able to do it. Definitely something that needs figuring out.


 

I don’t disagree with you on everything. But, his game clearly runs streaky, the closer the game against the good teams the worse he plays, and even some mediocre defenses have figured out how to take away his running impact. 
 

Don't think this loss revealed any truths we didn't already know.

 

 

Okay, so Allen and Huntley were successful moving the ball with the pass but, other than the interception you are willing to give Jackson a mulligan? 
 

Whether you like it or not a narrative is starting to be written about Jackson.

 

Ismail said as much: “There are things he does great and when you can take them away he’s not effective” and also said something it about it’s starting to be written in pen as opposed to pencil “

 

The blitz exposes teams to the short passing game. Lamar couldn’t do it well enough to back off the blitz. 


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Posted 17 January 2021 - 08:54 AM

The pick was a devastatingly bad play and ended the game.

But Lamar was 14/24 for 162. 58% and 6.8 Y/A. Allen was 23/37 for 206. 62% and 5.6 Y/A.

Nobody was successful throwing last night. The conditions were difficult.

The difference in the game was the pick 6.
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Posted 17 January 2021 - 09:16 AM



I don’t disagree with you on everything. But, his game clearly runs streaky, the closer the game against the good teams the worse he plays, and even some mediocre defenses have figured out how to take away his running impact.



Okay, so Allen and Huntley were successful moving the ball with the pass but, other than the interception you are willing to give Jackson a mulligan?

Whether you like it or not a narrative is starting to be written about Jackson.

Ismail said as much: “There are things he does great and when you can take them away he’s not effective” and also said something it about it’s starting to be written in pen as opposed to pencil “

The blitz exposes teams to the short passing game. Lamar couldn’t do it well enough to back off the blitz.


Nothing is written in pen when you're 23.

They had Elway written in pen too for a while.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 09:35 AM

Nothing is written in pen when you're 23.

They had Elway written in pen too for a while.

Yeah, he'll be fine.  They just need to get him a couple of decent wide receivers in their prime who can run routes and be aggressive attacking the ball.  Add some depth to the OL, get Boyle and Stanley back, and it should be a high octane offense again.  But Lamar does need to get back to working on mechanics again because he's been sloppy in that department this year.  Maybe he should look into hiring the guru that worked with Josh Allen.  Whatever gains he made going into the 2019 season as a passer, regressed this year. Sometimes it's the curse of having so much natural talent- you get lazy in your fundamentals. 



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Posted 17 January 2021 - 09:42 AM

I agree with you.  They do have to be run first.  But something changes come playoff time.  Last year, 12 points against Tennessee.  Last week 20 points in a win.  This week, only 3 points.  I think maybe the offense needs to be more diversified. I'm figuring most people will blame Jackson for the one bad pick, and yeah it was bad.  But still, this offense seems to roll very well, until it hits playoff time and gets punched in the mouth.  Then it seems to totally recoil and lose it's ability.  I don't know, maybe I am wrong, but I've seen this two years in a row where everyone says this offense can't be stopped, until, oh snap, it is stopped, come playoff time.   


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