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[BSLChrisStoner]

Washington Times: Football Season Ticket Sales Down 18%
http://www.washingto...es-down-18-per/

If you believe MD is destined for another horrible season, you can argue this either way. If MD wins just 1 to 4 games, the pressure to replace Edsall will only intensify.

However, with MD's Athletic Department suffering from a lack of funds, it will be that much harder to replace Edsall if revenues further decrease this year.

Of course, if the team is poor on the field, and losing money at the gate; the inverse argument will be that a larger move is needed, with funds having to be found somewhere.

[Mackus]

Whatever scenario leads to Edsall being gone from the University will be good for me. I hope the team is good, but I don't think that's possible given the coach and the lack of talent. And the new recruits usually can't make that major of an impact right away.

Can Edsall and get someone in here who is competent, can recruit, and can speak to the media (or anyone, for that matter) without sounding like a complete a-hole. Wouldn't mind keeping Locksley as the OC given his recruiting abilities (though don't really want him as the HC) but if he has to go to get Edsall gone as well, I'm willing to make that sacrifice.

Season ticket sales dropping another 20-30% would be more devastating to the program than having to pay for a real head coach while also paying Edsall to sit on his couch.

[Oriole85]

Washington Times: Football Season Ticket Sales Down 18%
http://www.washingto...es-down-18-per/

If you believe MD is destined for another horrible season, you can argue this either way. If MD wins just 1 to 4 games, the pressure to replace Edsall will only intensify.

However, with MD's Athletic Department suffering from a lack of funds, it will be that much harder to replace Edsall if revenues further decrease this year.

Of course, if the team is poor on the field, and losing money at the gate; the inverse argument will be that a larger move is needed, with funds having to be found somewhere.

There gonna have to find the money somewhere, they are on the hook for $6 million after this season with him. And while some will argue it's a "sunk cost." They'll have to pay any quality coach around the same salary. Only way I see him getting fired is if boosters step up.

[Oriole85]

While I think you want to fill the stadium, I don't think you can just *giveaway* tickets to every game. If you are paying for season tickets, I don't think you mind seeing the Living Social/Groupon deals to the non-conference games, but you don't want to see tickets going at deep discount for ACC games. So while it might seem like a good idea to fill up the stadium, you don't want to alienate your base in the process.

[Mackus]

There gonna have to find the money somewhere, they are on the hook for $6 million after this season with him. And while some will argue it's a "sunk cost." They'll have to pay any quality coach around the same salary. Only way I see him getting fired is if boosters step up.

Anderson should be fired as well if/when Edsall is bought out. If you hire a coach who is so bad that it is a genuinely good idea to pay him $6M to pick his nose for the next several years, you no longer are allowed to pick the next coach.

[JeremyStrain]

There gonna have to find the money somewhere, they are on the hook for $6 million after this season with him. And while some will argue it's a "sunk cost." They'll have to pay any quality coach around the same salary. Only way I see him getting fired is if boosters step up.

The boosters are the ones that want him out.

[Oriole85]

The boosters are the ones that want him out.

Let's see if their "talk" is backed up by their actions.

[Oriole85]

Anderson should be fired as well if/when Edsall is bought out. If you hire a coach who is so bad that it is a genuinely good idea to pay him $6M to pick his nose for the next several years, you no longer are allowed to pick the next coach.

This wasn't seen as that bad at the time and I'm pretty sure it's close to the going rate at a school such as Maryland and having a coach of Edsall's caliber. Yes, I know Edsall looks a lot worse in September 2012 than he did January 2011.

Where does this end, should we get rid of the President who gave his blessing or the Board of Regents who approved of this deal? As I said this looks a lot worse now, but at the time this was done, it wasn't as bad as many are trying to make it out to be.

[Mackus]

This wasn't seen as that bad at the time and I'm pretty sure it's close to the going rate at a school such as Maryland and having a coach of Edsall's caliber. Yes, I know Edsall looks a lot worse in September 2012 than he did January 2011.

Where does this end, should we get rid of the President who gave his blessing or the Board of Regents who approved of this deal? As I said this looks a lot worse now, but at the time this was done, it wasn't as bad as many are trying to make it out to be.

No, just get rid of Anderson. It was his job, and he obviously failed. And it wasn't like this is a situation where something looked like it was great and just didn't work out. There legit concerns about Edsall from day one, and his actions since taking the job (starting as soon as his plane PA announcement to his players) have brought embarrassment to the University.

I trust the board's ability to hire a competent AD more than Anderson's ability to hire a competent head football coach, at this point. Also, he needs to be held accountable for wasting the University's money in such ridiculous fashion. He doesn't get a do-over, IMO, even if the boosters pitch in to cover the remaining millions left on Edsall's deal.

[JeremyStrain]

No, just get rid of Anderson. It was his job, and he obviously failed. And it wasn't like this is a situation where something looked like it was great and just didn't work out. There legit concerns about Edsall from day one, and his actions since taking the job (starting as soon as his plane PA announcement to his players) have brought embarrassment to the University.

I trust the board's ability to hire a competent AD more than Anderson's ability to hire a competent head football coach, at this point. Also, he needs to be held accountable for wasting the University's money in such ridiculous fashion. He doesn't get a do-over, IMO, even if the boosters pitch in to cover the remaining millions left on Edsall's deal.

I was so crushed when I found out ka to stanford wasn't happening.

[Oriole85]

No, just get rid of Anderson. It was his job, and he obviously failed. And it wasn't like this is a situation where something looked like it was great and just didn't work out. There legit concerns about Edsall from day one, and his actions since taking the job (starting as soon as his plane PA announcement to his players) have brought embarrassment to the University.

I trust the board's ability to hire a competent AD more than Anderson's ability to hire a competent head football coach, at this point. Also, he needs to be held accountable for wasting the University's money in such ridiculous fashion. He doesn't get a do-over, IMO, even if the boosters pitch in to cover the remaining millions left on Edsall's deal.

Again looking back this looks a lot worse than it was. I'm not excactly a KA or Randy Edsall fan, in fact I despise both them but at the same time I'm going to give them time to make things right.

Well Edsall was far from a slam dunk, it's not the bonehead move it's being made out to be. Sure, he's jerk, but there's lots of them in college football. No one cares about them as long as they win. People don't hate Edsall because he's a jerk, they hate him because he's one that went 2-10.

You can just keep hiring and firing personnel just because you don't like someone. This stuff costs money from a financially challenged Athletic Department. This isn't Texas. And if you don't like the next AD/football coach within two years, are you just going to be able to fire them? It's funny seeing the same people who wanted Fridgen gone (and I'm not saying you are one because I don't know where you stand on this), not giving Edsall a chance. Btw, last year KA mentioned trying to get NFL coaches (read: high quality ones) and said that they didn't want to commit to fundraising. They should be able to get a quality coaching job, there's only so many BCS head coaching jobs even if it's at one on the lower scale of it, but I don't think Maryland football is exactly the most attractive job out there.

[DJ MC]

Again looking back this looks a lot worse than it was. I'm not excactly a KA or Randy Edsall fan, in fact I despise both them but at the same time I'm going to give them time to make things right.

Well Edsall was far from a slam dunk, it's not the bonehead move it's being made out to be. Sure, he's jerk, but there's lots of them in college football. No one cares about them as long as they win. People don't hate Edsall because he's a jerk, they hate him because he's one that went 2-10.

You can just keep hiring and firing personnel just because you don't like someone. This stuff costs money from a financially challenged Athletic Department. This isn't Texas. And if you don't like the next AD/football coach within two years, are you just going to be able to fire them? It's funny seeing the same people who wanted Fridgen gone (and I'm not saying you are one because I don't know where you stand on this), not giving Edsall a chance. Btw, last year KA mentioned trying to get NFL coaches (read: high quality ones) and said that they didn't want to commit to fundraising. They should be able to get a quality coaching job, there's only so many BCS head coaching jobs even if it's at one on the lower scale of it, but I don't think Maryland football is exactly the most attractive job out there.

First of all, while hindsight is 20/20, results matter. If Edsall had done essentially everything differently with PR over his time, but ended up last year the same and had a few more seasons with far too few wins, he'd be canned. His job is to coach a winning team.

It's the same deal with Anderson. Even if the move was defensible at the time, so far it looks extremely bad. If that keeps up for this season and likely one more, it will be a horrible hire and he will likely lose his job.

Second, it isn't about "liking" a coach. But a football coach is a public face of the university, and at a pubic school usually the highest-paid person on the payroll for the entire state. That comes with responsibilities that go beyond pure wins and losses, though wins buy indulgences for myriad sins. When you lose, however, you don't get forgiven.

[Oriole85]

First of all, while hindsight is 20/20, results matter. If Edsall had done essentially everything differently with PR over his time, but ended up last year the same and had a few more seasons with far too few wins, he'd be canned. His job is to coach a winning team.

It's the same deal with Anderson. Even if the move was defensible at the time, so far it looks extremely bad. If that keeps up for this season and likely one more, it will be a horrible hire and he will likely lose his job.

Second, it isn't about "liking" a coach. But a football coach is a public face of the university, and at a pubic school usually the highest-paid person on the payroll for the entire state. That comes with responsibilities that go beyond pure wins and losses, though wins buy indulgences for myriad sins. When you lose, however, you don't get forgiven.

I agree that results matter and they are certainly aren't what they should be at Maryland; however, you don't see college coaches fired after one year barring scandals and/or criminal behavior. Most college coaches get a minimum of three years, occasionally two. As you said a few more bad seasons and he's likely out of a job, assuming Maryland can get boosters to buy him out as well as fund the next head coach (and staff)

Spot on with the "liking" comment. First responsibly is winning games, but off-field stuff matters. Bottomline is this though, win enough you'll stick, lose enough even if you're saint you won't.