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[Oriole85]

Maybe from a different team in the Big East, but there is a big difference in a school with no expectations or people to answer to and a school like MD. That's like taking a guy with a couple decent seasons at Towson and going straight to VTech.

There were plenty of people nationally questioning the hire too, it was far from a slam dunk, and then after seeing his performance as Mackus pointed out, I (and a ton of boosters at MD) think it was a terrible move.

You are beyond off-base on this one. Towson is an FCS school. UConn is in a BCS conference. What is a stepping stone exactly between UConn and Maryland? The jump from Towson to VTech would be much tougher than UConn to Maryland.

You are acting like Maryland and the ACC are some elite football powerhouses while the Big East is the bottom of the Earth. Which conferences exactly are between the Big East and ACC?

Like Stoner said, I like Maryland as well, but it is what it is.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Maybe from a different team in the Big East, but there is a big difference in a school with no expectations or people to answer to and a school like MD. That's like taking a guy with a couple decent seasons at Towson and going straight to VTech.

There were plenty of people nationally questioning the hire too, it was far from a slam dunk, and then after seeing his performance as Mackus pointed out, I (and a ton of boosters at MD) think it was a terrible move.

You said he did not have success over multiple years, and that he it was one good recruiting class.
That obviously is not true. 8+ wins in 6 plus seasons, speaks for itself.

Whether there were expectations at UConn or not, he was leaving the Big East having won/tied for the Conference Title twice in 4 years, and as the Conference Coach of the Year. Saying that is like taking a Rob Ambrose (Towson's current HC), and going to VaTech... is just not an accurate representation.

Yes, it was far from a slam dunk hiring Edsall. I said as much at the time. I said as much after his performance last year which was a disaster on and off the field.

We get it, he is not going to change your mind. He might not change mine either. I just think what DOB does at Wisconsin will have nothing to do with my evaluation of Edsall going forward.

[Oriole85]

Maybe from a different team in the Big East, but there is a big difference in a school with no expectations or people to answer to and a school like MD. That's like taking a guy with a couple decent seasons at Towson and going straight to VTech.

There were plenty of people nationally questioning the hire too, it was far from a slam dunk, and then after seeing his performance as Mackus pointed out, I (and a ton of boosters at MD) think it was a terrible move.

Which school should he have jumped to in the Big East exactly since so many coaches voluntarily leave their own schools for other ones in the same conference?

[JeremyStrain]

You said he did not have success over multiple years, and that he it was one good recruiting class.
That obviously is not true. 8+ wins in 6 plus seasons, speaks for itself.

Whether there were expectations at UConn or not, he was leaving the Big East having won/tied for the Conference Title twice in 4 years, and as the Conference Coach of the Year. Saying that is like taking a Rob Ambrose (Towson's current HC), and going to VaTech... is just not an accurate representation.

Yes, it was far from a slam dunk hiring Edsall. I said as much at the time. I said as much after his performance last year which was a disaster on and off the field.

We get it, he is not going to change your mind. He might not change mine either. I just think what DOB does at Wisconsin will have nothing to do with my evaluation of Edsall going forward.

So when DOB proves that he is a good QB, it's not going to bother you that Edsall ran him out of town out of ego?

And I wasn't going for accurate I was making an analogy, you can give me all the stats you want from UCONN, it's a JOKE of a football school, and I don't care if he went undefeated in 8 years, it's NOT the same as playing UVA, VTECH, FL ST, WAKE, GTECH etc. Just my opinion that he shouldn't have just been handed an ACC job, even if MD isn't considered a conference power.

[Oriole85]

Here's Edsall's record
http://www.cfbdatawa...php?coachid=674

[Oriole85]

I'd like to reserve judgment on DOB until we see what he does at Wisconsin. If he succeeds at Wisconsin, it will be pretty apparent, Edsall should've catered to his strengths. If he doesn't, than it could be he just had one good season in the ACC.

The competition at Wisconsin despite a down year with PSU/Ohio State on probation should still be better than anything he saw in the ACC.

[Oriole85]

And I wasn't going for accurate I was making an analogy, you can give me all the stats you want from UCONN, it's a JOKE of a football school, and I don't care if he went undefeated in 8 years, it's NOT the same as playing UVA, VTECH, FL ST, WAKE, GTECH etc. Just my opinion that he shouldn't have just been handed an ACC job, even if MD isn't considered a conference power.

Not going for accurate, thats a new one. You are comparing two relatively bad football conferences (compared to other BCS schools), the ACC is a step above the Big East. Only VTech/FL State on that list you mentioned could even be considered football pwerhouses.

[BSLChrisStoner]

So when DOB proves that he is a good QB, it's not going to bother you that Edsall ran him out of town out of ego?

And I wasn't going for accurate I was making an analogy, you can give me all the stats you want from UCONN, it's a JOKE of a football school, and I don't care if he went undefeated in 8 years, it's NOT the same as playing UVA, VTECH, FL ST, WAKE, GTECH etc. Just my opinion that he shouldn't have just been handed an ACC job, even if MD isn't considered a conference power.

DOB had the option of staying, he left. As I said - I don't blame him, and I do hold Edsall accountable for the reasons why DOB wanted to leave - but it was still DOB's decision to leave.

Saying Edsall ran him out of town is not accurate.

You can call UConn a joke of a football school, and I won't necessarily disagree with you. However, that just makes what Edsall achieved there more impressive.

I'm an ACC homer, but clearly the ACC is only a 1/2 step above the Big East.

Edsall left UConn for MD, because beyond MD being his 'dream school,' Maryland has better facilities, and recruiting grounds. If he can have the success he had at UConn without those advantages, there is no reason why he can't have that same success here.

Again, I dislike being forced to defend Edsall, because after seeing what happened last year (particularly off the field), I have my own issues.

Just don't think you are being fair to what he accomplished, or think what DOB does from this point on matters at all.

[Oriole85]

Well this has turned into the Randy Edsall referendum page. I'm far from an Edsall supporter, but I'm willing to give him this year and probably next to redeem himself. He had a terrible year, but I think any coach deserves three years to prove himself, aside from blantant rules violations.

[Oriole85]

Just don't think you are being fair to what he accomplished, or think what DOB does from this point on matters at all.

This is a tougher one for me, I think if DOB does great things at Wisconsin, it will prove fairly or unfairly, that there were real problems here. However, I don't think it means despite the better conference/school, he would've necessairly had success here (change the rules/change the game).

[Adam Wolff]

Well this has turned into the Randy Edsall referendum page. I'm far from an Edsall supporter, but I'm willing to give him this year and probably next to redeem himself. He had a terrible year, but I think any coach deserves three years to prove himself, aside from blantant rules violations.

Yeah, this is what I've come to. He dug himself about as deep of a hole as he possibly could last year, but let's see what he does this season, and maybe more importantly next season.

[glenn__davis]

The "national championship contenders" in Wisconsin are off to a poor start. Barely beating Northern Iowa, then an embarrassing loss to Oregon State. DOB with a solid performance against UNI followed by a very mediocre performance against OSU.

[Pedro Cerrano]

The "national championship contenders" in Wisconsin are off to a poor start. Barely beating Northern Iowa, then an embarrassing loss to Oregon State. DOB with a solid performance against UNI followed by a very mediocre performance against OSU.

Good. Good.

[Oriole85]

Maryland at 2-0 and a bad performance from DOB last week, the DOB lovers are pretty quiet (thus far).

[JeremyStrain]

Maryland at 2-0 and a bad performance from DOB last week, the DOB lovers are pretty quiet (thus far).

MD got LUCKY to get by W&M, WIS and DOB had a bad game this week. I've still got money that they come out much further ahead than MD. Even in their win this week, it was called one of the ugliest football games of the last couple years. I think it was more a case of Temple being REALLY bad. Gotta give it a longer sample, but no question DOB comes out on top, Hills doesn't look very good, although I'm trying to give him credit for being a freshman and having to play for Edsall.