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#1 BSLChrisStoner

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 09:49 PM

PressBox: New Study Lays Groundwork For Pimlico Renovation

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#2 DuffMan

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:34 AM

Even if this is a private-public shared cost venture I'm not sure where the money is coming from.  On a related note, if you could only update/replace 1 would it be the arena or Pimlico which would it be?  For me it would be the arena, as much as it would suck to lose the Preakness and or see it moved  I feel like more good can come from a new arena.



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:44 AM

It should be moved to Laurel.

 

The amount of money that needs to be invested in Pimlico would pay for half of a new racetrack, arena, or some other civil project like mass transit.

 

Laurel is already in better shape, is better connected to highways, transit, airports and is located between Baltimore AND DC.

 

The owners of Pimlico can go F themselves.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 01:26 PM

Wait, don't the Pimlico owners also own Laurel?



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:11 PM

Yeah, but they are saying they need the city to pay for the renovations. For a track that gets used 12 days a year. TWELVE! Laurel on the other hand is used 140 days a year.

 

http://www.bizjourna...ey-to-keep.html

 

Here's what they should do. Not spend another dime on Pimlico aside from daily operation costs to keep the place in working order. Run the race at Pimlico for the next few years and have a big blowout for the 150th and then move the race to Laurel and demolish Pimlico.

 

What condition is Churchill Downs in? How about Belmont? I'm guessing it's not as close to the condition that Pimlico is in -- although I don't really know. But if I'm right, why is that? 

 

I'm sick of these millionaires crying poor and turning to the city for money when they need their building renovated. And not just in Baltimore but across the country.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:19 PM

Yeah, but they are saying they need the city to pay for the renovations. For a track that gets used 12 days a year. TWELVE! Laurel on the other hand is used 140 days a year.

 

http://www.bizjourna...ey-to-keep.html

 

Here's what they should do. Not spend another dime on Pimlico aside from daily operation costs to keep the place in working order. Run the race at Pimlico for the next few years and have a big blowout for the 150th and then move the race to Laurel and demolish Pimlico.

 

What condition is Churchill Downs in? How about Belmont? I'm guessing it's not as close to the condition that Pimlico is in -- although I don't really know. But if I'm right, why is that? 

 

I'm sick of these millionaires crying poor and turning to the city for money when they need their building renovated. And not just in Baltimore but across the country.

 

Were you complaining about who paid for what they used to call Ravens Stadium before they sold out the name of a publicly paid for facility for a millionaire's private profit?  

 

Where was your outrage then?


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:25 PM

Were you complaining about who paid for what they used to call Ravens Stadium before they sold out the name of a publicly paid for facility for a millionaire's private profit?  

 

Where was your outrage then?

 

I was...let's see...20 at the time? So no.

 

Now, in my "wiser years", I can see it's all BS. Cities get raped and screwed all across the country by these billionaires.

 

I hope it doesn't come to the day when our football team moves again but I'll have a better understanding of why the city won't give in if it comes to that.

 

I say this as a double PSL owner who is effectively paying for the upgrades at the stadium and the training facility.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:29 PM

Yeah, but they are saying they need the city to pay for the renovations. For a track that gets used 12 days a year. TWELVE! Laurel on the other hand is used 140 days a year.

 

http://www.bizjourna...ey-to-keep.html

 

Here's what they should do. Not spend another dime on Pimlico aside from daily operation costs to keep the place in working order. Run the race at Pimlico for the next few years and have a big blowout for the 150th and then move the race to Laurel and demolish Pimlico.

 

What condition is Churchill Downs in? How about Belmont? I'm guessing it's not as close to the condition that Pimlico is in -- although I don't really know. But if I'm right, why is that? 

 

I'm sick of these millionaires crying poor and turning to the city for money when they need their building renovated. And not just in Baltimore but across the country.

 

Millionaires should pay for their own fucking stadiums, am i right?



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:39 PM

Millionaires should pay for their own fucking stadiums, am i right?

I don't know how to respond to this.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:42 PM

Millionaires should pay for their own fucking stadiums, am i right?

I don't know how to respond to this.

 


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:43 PM

I thought I'd read that Laurel would also need major renovations to add enough seating to host the Preakness, and that the infield would need to be closed to fans.

 

*looking*

 

Yeah, here it is (Ritvo is the COO of Stronach's racing division):

 

Ritvo said the company simply makes more money running day-to-day at Laurel. He's confident that with added renovations, that facility could host a successful Preakness, though the character of the event would change, with no infield seating, a smaller overall crowd and a greater emphasis on selling luxury suites.

 

http://www.baltimore...0224-story.html



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:47 PM

FWIW, I run a networking group (well... truth be told the networking group has now been rolled up under my employer)... and we had our last event in January. 

The featured speaker that night was Donald Fry, head of the Greater Baltimore Committee.  Fry did touch on the Preakness, mentioning the high amounts of revenue that Preakness brings to the region, and how that would be lost locally if the event was in Laurel (becoming more DC vs. Baltimore).

I'm not clear enough on the details either way to voice a real opinion, but thought I'd pass that on. Certainly respect Fry's knowledge.



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:52 PM

 

 

Well as much as I hate the Patriots, they did build their own stadium.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:54 PM

Well the people have to be allowed in the infield. That's what makes Preakness, Preakness.

 

Look, I want this event to remain in Baltimore if at all possible. And the city and state should pitch in for some of the costs. Just not all of them.

 

And I don't think the city is exactly blameless in this either. They've lost, or are in danger, of losing a lot of events lately.

 

Why is that?


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:03 AM

Well the people have to be allowed in the infield. That's what makes Preakness, Preakness.

 

Look, I want this event to remain in Baltimore if at all possible. And the city and state should pitch in for some of the costs. Just not all of them.

 

And I don't think the city is exactly blameless in this either. They've lost, or are in danger, of losing a lot of events lately.

 

Why is that?

 

Because they don't invest properly in keeping them... just like you want them to not do again...


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:30 AM

I know I contradicted myself on the issue. On one hand you've got millionaires and billionaires asking poor cities to fix their buildings. On the other hand you've got Baltimore losing tons of events and stuff due to negligence. Not to mention one of the highest crime rates in the country, a polluted harbor, a relic of an arena, a convention center that is losing conventions, terrible mass transit. Now they're on the verge of losing Preakness. And, any momentum the city does have, like Port Covington development, Mechanic Theater demolition, Superblock, and State Center gets held up in courts and doesn't happen. If this city could get out of its own way it'd be great. But all that said, the owners of Pimlico should pony up.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:18 AM

I know I contradicted myself on the issue. On one hand you've got millionaires and billionaires asking poor cities to fix their buildings. On the other hand you've got Baltimore losing tons of events and stuff due to negligence. Not to mention one of the highest crime rates in the country, a polluted harbor, a relic of an arena, a convention center that is losing conventions, terrible mass transit. Now they're on the verge of losing Preakness. And, any momentum the city does have, like Port Covington development, Mechanic Theater demolition, Superblock, and State Center gets held up in courts and doesn't happen. If this city could get out of its own way it'd be great. But all that said, the owners of Pimlico should pony up.

 

Great.  

 

So let's let DC take the Preakness...  they already have Baltimore's NBA team, why not let them take the Preakness too... hell, it's just a Triple Crown event... we've only had it forever, I'm sure we can always get another one later... 


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:37 AM

Great.  

 

So let's let DC take the Preakness...  they already have Baltimore's NBA team, why not let them take the Preakness too... hell, it's just a Triple Crown event... we've only had it forever, I'm sure we can always get another one later... 

 

What do you think should happen?


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:48 AM

What do you think should happen?

 

I think it should be treated like other issues of public investment, like roads... either it's good for the community or it's not... doesn't matter if lots of people don't use that particular new road... either the road is good for the area or it's not...

 

I think the Preakness is good for Baltimore... the focus should be on how to improve more than just the race track... it should be on how to make rennovation trigger greater improvement in the area...


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:59 AM

That's like saying a casino is going to improve an area. This is a poor area, too. I don't know how it can improve the area for locals aside from jobs which let's face it, probably won't be hiring any locals for any renovations.

 

That's my $0.02.

 

That said, the state should chip in some money too. It's not just on the city.

 

I just find $300 million for a track that gets used a dozen times a year a hard pill to swallow, especially when you've got a newer, nicer facility 20 miles away. Yeah it sucks it's not Baltimore...but it's $300 million.


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