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#461 Mike in STL

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:48 PM

In the time between Davey and Buck which former O's manager would you want to see manage the team again?

 

I'm not saying they should, just a fun what if

If I absolutely had to? Dave Trembley. He was a bench coach for the Astros and director of player development for Atlatna after leaving here. Probably picked up some wise tips from some good teams along the way. 

 

Miller and Hargrove are too far gone. Mazzilli, nah. Perlozzo, Samuel, nah. Did I miss anyone?


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:07 PM

Bordick is interested in the job.

 

https://twitter.com/...905997401014276

 

Nooo... Where will he hear such genuine criticism of the team during broadcasts then?!  :D



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:32 PM

I don't know why I am assuming that Bordick would make a bad manager.  I guess it's from his uninspiring broadcasting, but he's actually very interesting to listen to when talking about the very narrow bandwidth of things he really understands (specifically the mechanics of playing defensive infield).  Its unfair of me to presume that the milquetoast Jim Hunter-esque guy who broadcasts the games is the same guy who would be in the manager's office (I do think it's fair to assume we'd see that guy in the press room, which would be obnoxious).  Maybe he'd be fine, if boring.  I have absolutely zero idea about his philosophies.



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:34 PM

I don't know why I am assuming that Bordick would make a bad manager.  I guess it's from his uninspiring broadcasting, but he's actually very interesting to listen to when talking about the very narrow bandwidth of things he really understands (specifically the mechanics of playing defensive infield).  Its unfair of me to presume that the milquetoast Jim Hunter-esque guy who broadcasts the games is the same guy who would be in the manager's office (I do think it's fair to assume we'd see that guy in the press room, which would be obnoxious).  Maybe he'd be fine, if boring.  I have absolutely zero idea about his philosophies.

They have raved about him in ST, his instruction and teaching, etc...

 

I think its going to be important to drive fundamentals down these young players throats.  I think he can do that.

 

He was as fundamentally sound and intelligent player as you will find.

 

That doesn't mean he can manage but if they want to try it, I don't really have an issue with it.  

 

I didn't think Flanny would make a good GM based off of his announcing, what he would talk about he valued, etc...I don't feel that way about Bordick, even though he was as dry an announcer as Flanny.  I think what Flanny brought to the table would have been great if you handed him the reigns of pitching in the minors..let him implement his ideas.  Let him run it.

 

I kind of view Bordick the same way.  Wouldn't want him being the GM but a high profile coach or even manager?  Worth a try.



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:51 PM

Nooo... Where will he hear such genuine criticism of the team during broadcasts then?!  :D

Good stuff :D


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 07:37 PM

Though many in and out of the org. believe his failure to not use Britton in '16 Wild Card Game was the beginning of the end for him.

 

They have it wrong. It wasn't his failure to use Britton, it was...

 

1) Putting Jimenez on the playoff roster

 

2) Putting Jimenez in a tied game in a relief appearance when Hunter and Britton were on the bench.



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 08:45 PM

I could see Bordy being a good manager.   May take awhile but who cares we are going to lose anyway.  Like Rob said, the new guy needs to be strong on fundamentals and insuring the game is played the right way.

 

I could see him being a lot like Buck.

 

I think JJ Hardy would bring the same qualities.


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Posted 07 October 2018 - 07:51 AM

I haven't posted in a little bit, so anyway...

Thanks Buck for being part of the turnaround and of easily the best run of O's baseball of my adulthood.

However, this was the right move. I don't think it makes sense to keep a manager after a historically awful season. That's not to put all or most of the blame on him, or even a significant amount for that matter, but he has to bear some responsibility.

It was also the right move to let his contract run out rather than fire him to revisit that discussion.

My remarks on Duquette would be similar btw, although I could have seen more of a case for keeping him.
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Posted 10 October 2022 - 11:02 AM

Buck tried his old favorite tricks of asking the umpires to check the opposing pitcher for "substance" on his uniform or person. 


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Posted 10 October 2022 - 11:22 AM

Buck tried his old favorite tricks of asking the umpires to check the opposing pitcher for "substance" on his uniform or person.

Hard to disagree with him to strongly for doing that, IMO. Did you see Musgrove? Looked like his ears were glistening. Buck alluded after the game that the spin rates were way up as well. I didn't see it live, but the pictures of Musgrove are pretty bizarre. Maybe it was just an attempted psych out but feels like justified concern to me.

Certainly looks bad when you're wrong, but better to look bad than to let someone get away with that in an elimination game.

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Posted 10 October 2022 - 11:46 AM

Hard to disagree with him to strongly for doing that, IMO. Did you see Musgrove? Looked like his ears were glistening. Buck alluded after the game that the spin rates were way up as well. I didn't see it live, but the pictures of Musgrove are pretty bizarre. Maybe it was just an attempted psych out but feels like justified concern to me.

Certainly looks bad when you're wrong, but better to look bad than to let someone get away with that in an elimination game.

I watched the game, and his ears were noticeably glistening, like the rest of his face. But he wasn't going to them before throwing pitches. IMO, it was Buck going to his bag of tricks to try and break up his rhythm. 


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Posted 11 October 2022 - 01:50 PM

Hard to disagree with him to strongly for doing that, IMO. Did you see Musgrove? Looked like his ears were glistening. Buck alluded after the game that the spin rates were way up as well. I didn't see it live, but the pictures of Musgrove are pretty bizarre. Maybe it was just an attempted psych out but feels like justified concern to me.

Certainly looks bad when you're wrong, but better to look bad than to let someone get away with that in an elimination game.

IU did not see the game but saw the highlights and it was noticeable.  Even if it was mind games, good for Buck.  The season was on the line, he was down 4-0, give it a shot, instead of going quietly into the night.


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Posted 04 August 2023 - 06:06 PM

Hello Buck!
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Posted 04 August 2023 - 06:34 PM

Classy tribute by the O’s before the game. Love me some Buck.

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Posted 04 August 2023 - 07:11 PM

Classy tribute by the O’s before the game. Love me some Buck.


I missed it. Did Zach Britton put a dunce cap on his head?
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Posted 07 February 2024 - 07:11 AM

https://youtu.be/vhLlYLxYUBU?t=5117


Anyone have any thoughts on the first few min of this interview with Buck. Couple of thoughts.

1. Can tell thee whole situations still flusters Buck. Fumbled over his thoughts a bit.

2. Sounded like he was maybe gonna say something about Britton initially but caught himself. Really hard to know where he was gonna go with it ininially. Later ends it by saying "Be careful telling truths that hurt innocent people". There are some things you have to wear. As a manager sometimes you have to wear it"


Not really trying to rehash the decision. I think most everyone wishes and believes Zack should've pitched in that game. Just some interesting reactions and comments there from Buck. Would love to know from his perspective what he thinks has to wear as a manager in regards to that situation.

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Posted 07 February 2024 - 08:51 AM

https://youtu.be/vhLlYLxYUBU?t=5117
Anyone have any thoughts on the first few min of this interview with Buck. Couple of thoughts.
1. Can tell thee whole situations still flusters Buck. Fumbled over his thoughts a bit.
2. Sounded like he was maybe gonna say something about Britton initially but caught himself. Really hard to know where he was gonna go with it ininially. Later ends it by saying "Be careful telling truths that hurt innocent people". There are some things you have to wear. As a manager sometimes you have to wear it"
Not really trying to rehash the decision. I think most everyone wishes and believes Zack should've pitched in that game. Just some interesting reactions and comments there from Buck. Would love to know from his perspective what he thinks has to wear as a manager in regards to that situation.

This is the second time he acts mysterious. He won’t say what he apparently wants to say but by saying what he does he tries to take away the responsibility for the Ubaldo/Britton move. He’s throwing shade at Britton but acting like he’s taking the high road. I think it’s weak. Telling the truth, if there actually is a story to tell would be better than what he’s doing. Personally, I think he’s still embarrassed by the move and trying to deflect.

Britton has talked about it openly. Buck has not.

Read this, an interview done at the time. No mystery. Just what seems like the truth.

https://www.sporting...ny1fhfyygoax7mh

By the way, I was surprised A.J. went there, especially like the first question. Boom!

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Posted 07 February 2024 - 09:24 AM

I'd have gone to Britton for the 8th and 9th. Figured the rest out then. The bolder choices Buck made worked until they didn't. I understand all the choices up until he left Ubaldo in there after the two singles. Gotta get him out at that point for Britton, do whatever you need to do to create enough time. That was the only inexplicable mistake. Everything up until then was rational.

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Posted 07 February 2024 - 09:28 AM

This is the second time he acts mysterious. He won’t say what he apparently wants to say but by saying what he does he tries to take away the responsibility for the Ubaldo/Britton move. He’s throwing shade at Britton but acting like he’s taking the high road. I think it’s weak. Telling the truth, if there actually is a story to tell would be better than what he’s doing. Personally, I think he’s still embarrassed by the move and trying to deflect.

Britton has talked about it openly. Buck has not.

Read this, an interview done at the time. No mystery. Just what seems like the truth.

https://www.sporting...ny1fhfyygoax7mh

By the way, I was surprised A.J. went there, especially like the first question. Boom!

He definitely is bothered by it still. Ive never believed the reason he didnt use him was solely and simply because he was saving him only for a save situation. He says he feels like he has to wear one for someone. I dont think hes just using that as an excuse. Doesnt mean he is in the right but something about the situation still bothers him.


The one thing Im wondering is if he was told either by Britton or relayed by the BP coach that Britton was sore or not 100% or maybe even unavailable. I not sure if this is correct or not but for some reason I was thinking Britton got up on his own. That could be 100% wrong. Would have to rewatch the game and even then it might not be something we would know for certain. If Buck was told Zack was hurting or sore going in and planned to not use him and then Zack got up on his own Id understand how with the way it turned out that would piss Buck off.




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