325 replies to this topic

[Old Man]

That trade is the biggest reason besides Buck for the 2012-2016 run. But I understand that sentiment. I hope we don't trade Means, even though it's probably the wise thing to do.

You arent wrong either.

 

And why fans dont make the best business decisions when it comes to "their" guys.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Balt Sun: For Orioles, caution with John Means now means having him at ‘the top of a playoff rotation’ in the near future

[NewMarketSean]

Well the extra rest sure did work wonders for him last night.

[BobPhelan]

Well the extra rest sure did work wonders for him last night.

It’s a long term play. But definitely seemed rusty with the fastball especially.

[Mike B]

It’s a long term play. But definitely seemed rusty with the fastball especially.

Actually, I thought he started fast but when he had to make the adjustments for the second and third time through the lineup, he did not have the location inside.  That said, he battled back in the 6th and had a 1-2-3 inning with 2 K, and the bull pen wet the bed on him.

[dude]

I thought he looked fine, he was just a hair off on his location and he wasn't getting anything borderline.  They weren't strikes but they were well framed and they could have easily gone his way.

 

You leave a couple balls up that get hit and it is what it is.

 

He needs to finish the 7th and go 7/3.  Then you pick up 2 innings and you win 6-3.  Easy peasy.

 

Note: baseball is sometimes hard.  The other guy is trying to win too.

[BSLSteveBirrer]

Trip to the IL.....

[NewMarketSean]

Sucks. Certainly hurts his trade value and I was hoping we’d be able to turn him into a Bedard-esque package.

[russsnyder]

Hopefully, he can pick up where he left off after his stint on the IL.

[BSLChrisStoner]

MASN: John Means: “I’m excited for where this team is going”

https://www.masnspor...m-is-going.html

[BSLRoseKatz]

2.70 ERA and allowing an opposing BA of under .200 his last six starts 

[BSLChrisStoner]

Balt Sun: Orioles reset: John Means has quietly put together one of the best seasons for an O’s starter in a generation

[Mackus]

Can't read the article, but hard to agree with the title when he's not gonna pitch enough innings to qualify.  If he had a 2-something ERA over that few number of innings, maybe.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Can't read the article, but hard to agree with the title when he's not gonna pitch enough innings to qualify. If he had a 2-something ERA over that few number of innings, maybe.

This is fair to an extent. Then again whats their been to talk about this millenium outside of Bedards 2006

[makoman]

Can't read the article, but hard to agree with the title when he's not gonna pitch enough innings to qualify.  If he had a 2-something ERA over that few number of innings, maybe.

I agree to an extent. Everyone threw a lot less last year so I was curious if this year was weird. Turns out it was.

 

As of now, it could still change in either direction, there's just 43 qualifiers in MLB. In 2011 there were 94. In 2006 there were 85. In 1996 there were 83. In 1986 there were 83. Pretty consistent.

 

In 2015 there were 79. In 2016 there were 75. In 2017 there were 59. In 2018 there were 58. In 2019 there were 62. 2020 has a big asterisk for obvious reasons but it was 41.

 

So it has been going down, but this year is still a huge jump down from 2019. Seems like teams were a lot more cautious this year, or maybe more guys got hurt. Makes sense given last year. So to me Means' year does get a mild strike against it due to the lack of innings, but not a big one since it seems on par for the league.

[dude]

Can't read the article, but hard to agree with the title when he's not gonna pitch enough innings to qualify.  If he had a 2-something ERA over that few number of innings, maybe.

 

Apparently I haven't read the Sun much lately, because I could read it.

 

1) there's a setup to kick off that leaves the door open to trade and indicator of 'intent' for the offseason.

 

2) the article is basing it off a floor of 140 innings and 'this century', so the Orioles pitching class since 2000 is fairly limited.  If you want to build different parameters, you could probably not include him...but the standards right now would be pretty thin.

 

3) I was actually surprised he has 25 starts when I looked at it.  Seems like he was out forever...struggled when he came back....but last 2 starts of AUG and all of SEP (so seven starts) were good.

 

This season is an example of why we should avoid early labels for players.  Means has certainly pitched really well at times, but the bigger labels aren't a per start basis. I'd like to see him pitch more consistently deeper into games (more 6+ versus 5+ IP/Start) and missing a few more bats would be good, but his ERA, K:BB and overall performance certainly have the makings of reliable quality.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Left the game after 4ip and 50 pitches tonight. Hopefully nothing serious.

[BSLChrisStoner]

Left forearm tightness.

[TwentyThirtyFive]

Uh oh

[You Play to Win the Game]

Not what you want to hear. Damn.